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  1. #181
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buildapanda View Post
    Since I was threatened with an infraction for pointing out a moderators mistake I might as well take them up on their offer.

    I just made this thread cause I knew it would get a lot of pages of replies, I actually dgaf what blizzard says and think people that do listen and follow what they say are nerds and I just made this thread to troll.
    So... anyone here like snickerdoodles? I love snickerdoodles. I think they're the best cookie ever.

    This is all cause they changed the cost of jab from 40 to 50 right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivin View Post
    Seriously, if you want to get into a "READ WHAT HE SAID" war, go read his full comment history instead of that one tweet.
    lol you mean where he suggests taking Ascension? That's proof enough that he thinks we're all fucking retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivin View Post
    I follow Celestalon's twitter and his replies to 99% of the WW feedback has been fine. He only got snarky with the ONE GUY who threatened that the spec population would drop as a result of the changes, which falls into my overexaggeration comment above (the whole "sold us a fast-paced spec" thing is ridiculous, because the spec wasn't slowed down that much).

    Seriously, if you want to get into a "READ WHAT HE SAID" war, go read his full comment history instead of that one tweet.
    In which case you would have noticed that they did discuss the very points you just claimed they ignored? Nobody threatened anyone. Maybe player is overreacting, maybe he is not, but let's not pretend that Blizzard do not have a history of ignoring beta feedback only for it come back bite them on the arse when it hits live, and as I have said before all he had to do to avoid the situation is thank them for their feedback and tell them they will look into it.

    I have thanks which is why I know they discussed the things you said were ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    In which case you would have noticed that they did discuss the very points you just claimed they ignored? Nobody threatened anyone. Maybe player is overreacting, maybe he is not, but let's not pretend that Blizzard do not have a history of ignoring beta feedback only for it come back bite them on the arse when it hits live, and as I have said before all he had to do to avoid the situation is thank them for their feedback and tell them they will look into it.

    I have thanks which is why I know they discussed the things you said were ignored.
    I'm with pann on this one. Even though this whole thread is a troll thread, I'm going to ignore that and proceed to mention that I think Blizzard needs to listen to the players more instead of being such assholes on twitter I don't know what they think they are doing to windwalkers but ITS GG BLIZZ you filthy greedy bastards.
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    I wish Blizzard would have taken the "STFU" stance a long time ago.

    I played Pld from release day of TBC all the way until Cata pre patch. I didn't like the changes so I rerolled... I didn't yell at Blizzard, I didn't cancel my subscription... I did what every one of those "I'll quit" people is actually going to do. Find another class to play.

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    You guys are missing the point though, the monk class was created by god and blizzard is messing that all up for their 'vision'. The nerve of these devs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    In which case you would have noticed that they did discuss the very points you just claimed they ignored? Nobody threatened anyone. Maybe player is overreacting, maybe he is not, but let's not pretend that Blizzard do not have a history of ignoring beta feedback only for it come back bite them on the arse when it hits live, and as I have said before all he had to do to avoid the situation is thank them for their feedback and tell them they will look into it.

    I have thanks which is why I know they discussed the things you said were ignored.
    Are you replying to me or someone else? Because I never said anything about anyone ignoring anything...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenway View Post
    lol you mean where he suggests taking Ascension? That's proof enough that he thinks we're all fucking retarded.
    Hey, I'm not saying his responses were smart, but his tone was perfectly fine. :P

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    The WW complaints are exactly like the Warrior complaints that tend to come rolling in at each expansion... OMG I HAVE NO RAGE /roar. Then by the third tier they have rage coming in so fast they can't get rid of it.

    If WW was even close to as fast paced as it is now in current gear at the start of WoD... where would you go from there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollerTH View Post
    If WW was even close to as fast paced as it is now in current gear at the start of WoD... where would you go from there?
    Yes but I don't think you read the twitters, he says it doesn't 'FEEL' fast-paced, and that is what he was sold. (I'm ignoring your logic, and replacing it with feelings, that's how we do it here).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivin View Post
    Hey, I'm not saying his responses were smart, but his tone was perfectly fine. :P
    Even making a suggestion like that is insulting. Especially after the nerf to ascension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by finskee View Post
    Yes but I don't think you read the twitters, he says it doesn't 'FEEL' fast-paced, and that is what he was sold. (I'm ignoring your logic, and replacing it with feelings).
    It doesn't feel fast-paced in entry-level MoP gear either.

    I totally get that it feels worse, but that's true of pretty much every single spec when going from previous-expansion-final-raid gear to new-expansion-entry-level gear. It always feels worse to suddenly be much weaker. But it's just a fact of life when transitioning to a new level cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by finskee View Post
    Yes but I don't think you read the twitters, he says it doesn't 'FEEL' fast-paced, and that is what he was sold. (I'm ignoring your logic, and replacing it with feelings, that's how we do it here).
    Oh well if thats how it works.... I feel WW should be able to spam Touch of Death at any % HP. And I should get Chi for standing around doing nothing. And I want a base 50% movement speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollerTH View Post
    Oh well if thats how it works.... I feel WW should be able to spam Touch of Death at any % HP. And I should get Chi for standing around doing nothing. And I want a base 50% movement speed.
    Now you're getting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivin View Post
    It doesn't feel fast-paced in entry-level MoP gear either.

    I totally get that it feels worse, but that's true of pretty much every single spec when going from previous-expansion-final-raid gear to new-expansion-entry-level gear. It always feels worse to suddenly be much weaker. But it's just a fact of life when transitioning to a new level cap.
    Doing proving grounds is painful. Going along and all of a sudden I have no Chi, no energy, and nothing I can do about it but stand around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivin View Post
    Are you replying to me or someone else? Because I never said anything about anyone ignoring anything...
    Hmm, it must have been someone else called Rivin that wrote "And people completely ignore that they are going from end-of-expansion-high gear levels to entry-level gear levels..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Hmm, it must have been someone else called Rivin that wrote "And people completely ignore that they are going from end-of-expansion-high gear levels to entry-level gear levels..."
    Oh, derp. But the person Celestalon replied to said nothing of the sort. This was the exact comment: "@Celestalon maybe when the ww numbers start to drop you guys will agree. Blizzard sold us a "fast pacing street fighter style"." Nothing to do with what I said was being ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivin View Post
    Oh, derp. But the person Celestalon replied to said nothing of the sort. This was the exact comment: "@Celestalon maybe when the ww numbers start to drop you guys will agree. Blizzard sold us a "fast pacing street fighter style"." Nothing to do with what I said was being ignored.
    Yes the conversation moved on and "aren't all energy classes slow at the beginning of an expansion?" was asked to which "no, make a rogue or a druid theyre still pretty fast but thats cuz they have ways to get energy back WW doesnt" was tweeted in reply. As you can see they discussed these very issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buildapanda View Post
    Why does Blizzard think it's okay to treat their fanbase like this?
    Because it IS ok to treat those people like that. Blizzard cannot and will not design the game based on fan noise, and it would do all the whiners good to understand that.

    Blizzard will react to overall player reactions, but the individual player noise is too compromised by selfish blindness and dishonest posturing to be worth much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    4.0.6 nerfed the heroics and it was released in Feb 2011. Sub drop was in 2012.
    Mormolyce, get your facts straight. The majority of Cataclysm's net sub loss was in the first three quarters of 2011. The heroic nerf of 4.0.6. such as it was, was a bandaid on a spurting artery and didn't solve the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Yes the conversation moved on and "aren't all energy classes slow at the beginning of an expansion?" was asked to which "no, make a rogue or a druid theyre still pretty fast but thats cuz they have ways to get energy back WW doesnt" was tweeted in reply. As you can see they discussed these very issues.
    That has nothing to do with this thread though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speehs View Post
    Bingo. It's basically the equivalent of a child saying "well if we can't play the way I want to, I'm not going to play with you anymore." Can you blame Blizzard if they're sick of hearing that line all the time over the past ten years?
    Especially when it is often lying (Blizzard can see if you followed through on it), and often the threats are mutually incompatible (so they cannot possibly satisfy everyone.)

    Threats to quit cost nothing. I've suggested that Blizzard have a feedback mechanism where you threaten to quit if X happens, and (if you use that special mechanism) Blizzard enforces that threat: if X happens, Blizzard cancels your account. Feedback through that mechanism would have more weight, since the player is putting their account on the line.
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