Enjoy Burst of Speed while it lasts

[Farora]

It looks like Blizzard is doing everything they can to ruin that talent on the beta. First upped to 20 energy, now even 25. I don't want to go back to being a helpless slow rogue :/

[Ryme]

Right now for WoD PvE:

T1: Garbage, garbage, Good
T2: Garbage, garbage, meh
T3: meh, garbage, great
T4: garbage, good, how-far-can-they-nerf
T5: garbage, garbage, garbage
T6: garbage, poor, good

It's back to mandatory picks on every tier, only T7 can save us now.

[Deleted]

I honestly don't get your complaints.

BoS is cheap. And I mean DIRT CHEAP. 15 Energy was ridiculous. 20 Energy...wow, big deal, so I have to wait a split second longer before I got the energy back. And even 25 is still okay. Please name one other class that has a 70% speed increase, that doesn't prevent them from using all their skills, with no cooldown, that also dispells all slows.

Considering that caster mobility, especially their dps while being mobile is severely nerfed in WoD, it's either that, or removing the talent altogether.

[Ryme]

I was merely being melodramatic. BoS needs a nerf, but I suspect they won't get it right and we'll all end up on Shadowstep again, at least until haste fixes it.

[Deleted]

I was merely being melodramatic. BoS needs a nerf, but I suspect they won't get it right and we'll all end up on Shadowstep again, at least until haste fixes it.

As of now, energy costs have been increased. That's it. The feedback from the community, and yes, that INCLUDES the rogues was: "BoS costs too little for what it does." The feedback after 15>20 increase was "The difference is barely noticeable".

So what makes you suspicious?

[Ryme]

Experience and deflated outlook on things.

[The Kao]

Hm. I get it that BoS might be too good if it is used by almost every Rogue out there for any spec or play style. But making it less attractive somehow doesn't feel right, and if that was really the intention it should go up to 50 energy because that's a cut you'll feel even 3 tiers into WoD.

But I'd much rather see Shadowstep enhanced to be honest to make it a real alternative, like why can't it have the CD of Blink or even less (probably removing the speed component to compensate) to make it more attractive? Improving talents is a much better solution than destroying others.

[Deleted]

Hm. I get it that BoS might be too good if it is used by almost every Rogue out there for any spec or play style. But making it less attractive somehow doesn't feel right, and if that was really the intention it should go up to 50 energy because that's a cut you'll feel even 3 tiers into WoD.

But I'd much rather see Shadowstep enhanced to be honest to make it a real alternative, like why can't it have the CD of Blink or even less (probably removing the speed component to compensate) to make it more attractive? Improving talents is a much better solution than destroying others.

Because the problem isn't that Shadowstep is too weak, the problem is that BoS is too strong. As Sorzzara said, caster mobility will be limited, so keeping that talent in it's current form is just wrong. What is more, when I use it on live it's like it doesn't have a resource cost. 25 energy still won't be that noticable

[OneSent]

Meh, as long as it's still spammable in stealth with the Nightstalker talent, I'm good.

[Fibh]

I honestly don't get your complaints.

BoS is cheap. And I mean DIRT CHEAP. 15 Energy was ridiculous. 20 Energy...wow, big deal, so I have to wait a split second longer before I got the energy back. And even 25 is still okay. Please name one other class that has a 70% speed increase, that doesn't prevent them from using all their skills, with no cooldown, that also dispells all slows.

Considering that caster mobility, especially their dps while being mobile is severely nerfed in WoD, it's either that, or removing the talent altogether.

PLEASE remove it alltogether, and balance rogue mobility around not having it.

I have barely played my rogue at all because of how miserable it feels. An underpowered class being kept viable by 2 overpowered talents (subterfuge and BoS). BoS is not fun or interesting. Just remove it, make Shadowstep baseline and give us a new tier of talents.

[Sturmgewehr86]

Because the problem isn't that Shadowstep is too weak, the problem is that BoS is too strong. As Sorzzara said, caster mobility will be limited, so keeping that talent in it's current form is just wrong. What is more, when I use it on live it's like it doesn't have a resource cost. 25 energy still won't be that noticable

It is that noticable , There was a point when it costed 30 energy and was represented as much as cloak and dagger atm. 25 - 30 Pota(ei)to - Potato?But as mentioned by someone else we need to see how the mobility of the casters is , we might not need it as much as we do right now.

[Deleted]

Burst of speed should be removed, and ShS made baseline. Sprint is our iconic speed increasing skill and theres absolutely no reason why we should have 2 sprints on our bar, its borderline lazy design from the devs and their unwillingess to actually make Sprint function the way it should and giving us ShS so we actually feel like rogues again.

[OneSent]

Burst of speed should be removed, and ShS made baseline. Sprint is our iconic speed increasing skill and theres absolutely no reason why we should have 2 sprints on our bar, its borderline lazy design from the devs and their unwillingess to actually make Sprint function the way it should and giving us ShS so we actually feel like rogues again.

Can't say I disagree with this. You make a really great point.

I have to admit I find it silly having to decide between two abilities which do essentially the same thing. And now that Sprint has a 1-min baseline CD, I find that I often have it when I need it.

[Aceveda]

BoS won't be balanced no matter what if it's still going to be spammable, so remove it. And are they changing Cloak & Dagger or leaving it dead?
Why are they so hell-bent on keeping them? Make Shadowstep 24 sec baseline, then redo the tier to improve Step/Sprint.

Talent 1: You can shadowstep every 18 seconds instead of every 24 seconds.
Talent 2: Shadowstep has 2 charges, but cooldown is increased by 6 seconds. So 30 sec cd, 30 recharger.
Talent 3: Sprint's suppresses roots & snares for its duration. Possibly with a reduced CD too

Much healthier tier, and better choices. Mobility needs to be nerfed across the board.

[Wow]

Because the problem isn't that Shadowstep is too weak, the problem is that BoS is too strong.

The problem is both shadowstep is garbage mobility compared to most melee and sprint a joke. A new step tier to buff it would fix it but all nerfing bos over and over does is make the tier only have 1 talent for pve and pvp yay for 2 dead talents.

[Deleted]

The problem is both shadowstep is garbage mobility compared to most melee and sprint a joke. A new step tier to buff it would fix it but all nerfing bos over and over does is make the tier only have 1 talent for pve and pvp yay for 2 dead talents.

No matter how you buff it, BoS is still 70% MS with no cd and 15 energy cost. Also, shadowstep is far from useless. IT's pretty good in PvE.

[Jenton]

The problem is both shadowstep is garbage mobility compared to most melee and sprint a joke. A new step tier to buff it would fix it but all nerfing bos over and over does is make the tier only have 1 talent for pve and pvp yay for 2 dead talents.

Great point, but seeing as how that describes almost every tier of talents that we have I don't see that as being a deterrent for the developers. There isn't much wriggle room between having BoS at 15 energy that's trivial in end-game PvP gear with huge haste and putting it close to 30 energy in starter PvP gear with massive energy starving. Unless the cost somehow scaled (reduces energy regeneration by 50% while BoS is active) the power of it shifts tremendously between starting seasons and later ones. I would much prefer to have somewhat interesting talent choices than one option that warps the class to such a degree it feels the rest of the talents/abilities are being balanced around it.

[Deleted]

Mobility needs to be nerfed across the board.

I agree, but you cannot justify ShS 24 cd when disengage is 10sec.

[Ishayu]

It's still too cheap in PvP.

I mean come on, it's a huge speed boost sprint with a root breaker on it. How is anybody supposed to kite a rogue when they have this thing?

Since it's apparently so terrible in PvE, why don't we just do the right thing and get the hell rid of it already?!

[Wow]

Great point, but seeing as how that describes almost every tier of talents that we have I don't see that as being a deterrent for the developers.

I know, sad

the power of it shifts tremendously between starting seasons and later ones.

Not really no rogue spec stacks haste in pvp which means their energy reg barely moves all expansion.