[7.3] Azortharion's Hunter Guides

[Raicky]

Re spinner; I agree. LW is a boring static no brain talent, which we have enough of as it is. EM shakes it up a little, and I do wish it scaled better.

Yeah, because pressing a button at the start of the fight then forgetting it till the next boss makes it interesting. This statement is like saying MoP Hawk was interesting.

EDIT: Let me word this better. Pressing one button at the start of the fight then forgetting it till the next boss, does not shake up anything. Its still just +X damage. Just like LW is +X% damage.

[Xloudman]

So I just copied your action list from here: Link, modified to my own gear.

Patchwerk fight, 450 seconds, 20% variations, 25000 iterations, Elite skill

Using my OWN current gear at ilvl 552 I am getting these results:


So where am I going wrong again?

Edit: Crit enchants/gems for MM and multistrike for Survival.

This is with my gear

[spinner981]

Yeah, because pressing a button at the start of the fight then forgetting it till the next boss makes it interesting. This statement is like saying MoP Hawk was interesting.

EDIT: Let me word this better. Pressing one button at the start of the fight then forgetting it till the next boss, does not shake up anything. Its still just +X damage. Just like LW is +X% damage.

It deals damage in a more unique fashion. It isn't just "+X% damage" like LW is. Not to mention, LW reduces complexity by removing pets. You might not be pressing all that many more buttons, but it is still a more unique and interesting talent than LW is.

Its like rogue poisons, like enhancements old weapon enhancements. Anyone who says that LW is a more interesting talent than EM needs their head examined.

Also no, +X% damage abilities alter other abilities or stats (like hawk like you said), rather than creating new sources of damage like EM does. So no, EM is not a +X% damage talent.

[Deleted]

Having an issue with SimC if anyone can help, copy+paste on Effin's settings and getting the following error "Option parsing error: Unexpected parameter '<100'. Expected format: name=value
Simulation failed!"

any idea's ?

[Deleted]

The reason why EM is seen as boring is because you add just another passive damage source. As long as you keep auto attacking the boss you are going to keep doing damage with poison ammo. In addition you get to keep you passive dot(pet) which is another somewhat boring element.
The reason why LW is more interesting to most is because you put more pressure on yourself to prefform well. If you fuck up your rotation you're going to be in much more trouble than when using EM as you don't have the 2 additional passive damage sources.

[Libertarian]

We really need to get fucking tri spec already

[khair]

Having an issue with SimC if anyone can help, copy+paste on Effin's settings and getting the following error "Option parsing error: Unexpected parameter '<100'. Expected format: name=value
Simulation failed!"

any idea's ?

Same here.

Edit: Nvm, a lot of syntaxes to fix.

[Deleted]

Same here.

Edit: Nvm, a lot of syntaxes to fix.

care to elaborate? I don't have the slightest idea where to begin

[Huggykaze]

care to elaborate? I don't have the slightest idea where to begin

Put new lines before each 'action' keyword. Probably comment screws it up, starts with '#', may be enough.

[khair]

There were a lot of places with spaces that shouldn't be there. Like 'focu s.deficit'. There shouldn't be a space between 'u' and 's' there.

[Raicky]

It deals damage in a more unique fashion. It isn't just "+X% damage" like LW is. Not to mention, LW reduces complexity by removing pets. You might not be pressing all that many more buttons, but it is still a more unique and interesting talent than LW is.

Its like rogue poisons, like enhancements old weapon enhancements. Anyone who says that LW is a more interesting talent than EM needs their head examined.

Also no, +X% damage abilities alter other abilities or stats (like hawk like you said), rather than creating new sources of damage like EM does. So no, EM is not a +X% damage talent.

How does it deal "damage in a more unique fashion" ? Its basically another auto shot.

Rogue poisons/weapon enhancements are just as boring because they do not impact your gameplay. (Unless you count those weird scenrios where weapon swapping in icc gave you more dps).

And I never said LW is more interesting because its just as brain dead as EM. Sure EM adds flavor and all but at the end of the day its just another autoshot.

And while LW reduces complexity by removing pets, it also adds a higher penalty on stuff like CS and ES because +30% damage roughly equates to +30% more DPE. If you fuck up on not firing these abilites on CD you're gimping your dps by the same amount. So EM as it currently stands now is actually more brain dead than LW is.

[Nythiz]

Just the fact that we're this back and forth about SV and MM shows that blizz did a good job.
I think a lot of people are taking this too far though, getting that sub-1% advantage is really only going to matter if you're in a super hardcore guild; of which the people in this treat are probably countable on 1 hand.

I'm probably going to stay MM seeing as SV is a bit bland at the moment; plus as Azorth mentioned MM has a super strong niche in being top-dps on non-swarm adds.
But it's nice that the option is now there for people to play what they want or chose the best playstyle for the given encounter.

[Azortharion]

There were a lot of places with spaces that shouldn't be there. Like 'focu s.deficit'. There shouldn't be a space between 'u' and 's' there.

This is why you pastebin profiles instead @Effin

[Tekslol]

Why is crows not used till RF ends? It could give us a thrill proc before crazy AS spam.

[Azortharion]

Why is crows not used till RF ends? It could give us a thrill proc before crazy AS spam.

So could Aimed Shot. If you search for Crows you'll find my reasoning post for the change.

I might make a return of the changelog..

[Huggykaze]

There were a lot of places with spaces that shouldn't be there. Like 'focu s.deficit'. There shouldn't be a space between 'u' and 's' there.

I had no such problems

@Azor, haters gonna hate...

[opbear]

So the hunters in my raid tonight that played SV didnt perform very well... Mid/Low on the dps meters, even being some of the most geared in the raid. I went SV for some Tectus attempts using the "zerg strat" where you get all 8 motes spawned and aoe like mad... Only marginally higher dps than what I did in MM when I killed it the next attempt.

SV is okay, but still going to stay as MM for now.

[Huggykaze]

So the hunters in my raid tonight that played SV didnt perform very well... Mid/Low on the dps meters, even being some of the most geared in the raid. I went SV for some Tectus attempts using the "zerg strat" where you get all 8 motes spawned and aoe like mad... Only marginally higher dps than what I did in MM when I killed it the next attempt.

SV is okay, but still going to stay as MM for now.

Maybe your gear doesn't have enough MS? Are the changes even live already?

[jpthepope]

Maybe your gear doesn't have enough MS? Are the changes even live already?

yes they are.

[opbear]

Maybe your gear doesn't have enough MS? Are the changes even live already?

Changes are live, yes. At least the serpent sting buff is (was there any others?).

MS is ranging from 10-15%. Really isnt much you can do about that with the current gear you can get from Highmaul. All the more reason to stay MM.