First Amendment, alive and well...

[s_bushido]

as i said on another forum, while i dont think it was right to arrest the guy .. i do think its absurd to be so stuck on urself u can't stand out of respect for someone's beliefs let alone the country... Don't like Religion fine who cares.... asked to stand for a prayer do it out of respect for the person and just stand silently for a minute it won't kill you I promise. i've stood for prayers from religions I don't follow its no big deal...

As a vet the pledge part pisses me off, its your "right" i guess but its a damn shame you are that stuck on your self and I do see it as an insult to myself and everyone else that ever wore the uniform so you could have that right...

Three things:
1. he wasn't arrested, just removed.
2. no, a person does not get to demand that I, or anyone else, respect their beliefs. Especially not grown ass adults talking to their imaginary friend.
3. if you actually felt that by putting on that uniform, you were "defending freedom," then that includes the freedom not to be forced to do crap like this.

[Mifuyne]

Look at them hippies, praying and pledging.

[Worvon]

2. no, a person does not get to demand that I, or anyone else, respect their beliefs. Especially not grown ass adults talking to their imaginary friend.

""You’ve gotta respect everyone’s beliefs." No, you don’t. That’s what gets us in trouble. Look, you have to acknowledge everyone’s beliefs, and then you have to reserve the right to go: "That is fucking stupid. Are you kidding me?" I acknowledge that you believe that, that’s great, but I’m not going to respect it. I have an uncle that believes he saw Sasquatch. We do not believe him, nor do we respect him!" -Patton Oswald. And DAMN is that so fucking true.

[cuafpr]

Three things:
1. he wasn't arrested, just removed.
2. no, a person does not get to demand that I, or anyone else, respect their beliefs. Especially not grown ass adults talking to their imaginary friend.
3. if you actually felt that by putting on that uniform, you were "defending freedom," then that includes the freedom not to be forced to do crap like this.

1) ok shouldn't have been removed, glad he wasn't arrested.
2) asking to stand is now demanding? less i missed a memo that asking someone to do something is not demanding they do it... So yes they can ask, no you don't have to , but I think its rude when its harmless to stand quietly /shrug.
3) less u wore the uniform don't bother, and i'm well aware other vets think differently, that's the great thing about opinions they can all be different.

[Zvinny]

as i said on another forum, while i dont think it was right to arrest the guy .. i do think its absurd to be so stuck on urself u can't stand out of respect for someone's beliefs let alone the country... Don't like Religion fine who cares.... asked to stand for a prayer do it out of respect for the person and just stand silently for a minute it won't kill you I promise. i've stood for prayers from religions I don't follow its no big deal...

As a vet the pledge part pisses me off, its your "right" i guess but its a damn shame you are that stuck on your self and I do see it as an insult to myself and everyone else that ever wore the uniform so you could have that right...

Do you respect Scientology?

[cuafpr]

Do you respect Scientology?

if i was asked to stand stand for a prayer by them i would b.c. it doesn't hurt me to show a little respect to another person regardless of what i think of their beliefs... though I'm not sure if they are even recognized as a religion.

[zorkuus]

2) asking to stand is now demanding?

It is demanding if the other option is to either leave or be escorted out by police. They could've allowed him to sit there silently, then it would not be demanding.

[WintersLegion]

I don't agree with forcing someone to say the pledge but I do see where the Mayor is coming from he didn't raise a fuss about the guy standing for the prayer but he just requested he stand for the pledge he doesn't have to say it and than requested he leave until it was over. It also say's that while the Mayor doesn't know the man himself he said the guy comes to the meetings and leaves as soon as the invocation and pledge are over which sounds like he's trying to cause a scene about it.

[Lyese]

3) less u wore the uniform don't bother, and i'm well aware other vets think differently, that's the great thing about opinions they can all be different.

Not that I'm one to jump on a circlejerk, but this line of thinking really grinds my gears. Regardless of who "wore the uniform," seeing the things you fought for being defiled in a way that you're okay with doesn't mean the rest of us don't have a right to be dismayed.

[Crissi]

as i said on another forum, while i dont think it was right to arrest the guy .. i do think its absurd to be so stuck on urself u can't stand out of respect for someone's beliefs let alone the country... Don't like Religion fine who cares.... asked to stand for a prayer do it out of respect for the person and just stand silently for a minute it won't kill you I promise. i've stood for prayers from religions I don't follow its no big deal...

As a vet the pledge part pisses me off, its your "right" i guess but its a damn shame you are that stuck on your self and I do see it as an insult to myself and everyone else that ever wore the uniform so you could have that right...

Being forced to say it is really more offensive. A person should say or stand because they want to. By forcing them to stand or say it, you just breed more resentment against people such as yourself.

[cuafpr]

It is demanding if the other option is to either leave or be escorted out by police. They could've allowed him to sit there silently, then it would not be demanding.

which i said was wrong........ so yeah. I still think ya being an asshole and disrespectful to the person though, which is of course a person's right to be an asshole.

[zorkuus]

It also say's that while the Mayor doesn't know the man himself he said the guy comes to the meetings and leaves as soon as the invocation and pledge are over which sounds like he's trying to cause a scene about it.

Good for him. Other people need to know unlawul things are taking place.

I still think ya being an asshole and disrespectful to the person though, which is of course a person's right to be an asshole.

Since when is a religion or an idea a person?

I can respect people but I don't have to respect their beliefs.

[Mifuyne]

which i said was wrong........ so yeah. I still think ya being an asshole and disrespectful to the person though, which is of course a person's right to be an asshole.

How is he a asshole? explain it to us.

[s_bushido]

2) asking to stand is now demanding? less i missed a memo that asking someone to do something is not demanding they do it... So yes they can ask, no you don't have to , but I think its rude when its harmless to stand quietly /shrug.

He was told to stand or they would force him to leave. What definition of "demand" are you working from here?

It's cool if you or anyone else will do it just to be respectful, but you shouldn't expect everyone to feel or behave the same. And if we have the right not to do something, a government official blatantly disregarding that right is more disrespectful than some douchebag sitting in the front row with a camera (just to make a point) will ever be.

[Crissi]

If you force me to stand for it, I will start reciting "I pledge allegience, to Queen Frag and her mighty state of hysteria".

[Lyese]

If you force me to stand for it, I will start reciting "I pledge allegience, to Queen Frag and her mighty state of hysteria".

I love love LOVE Calvin and Hobbes.

[cuafpr]

Being forced to say it is really more offensive. A person should say or stand because they want to. By forcing them to stand or say it, you just breed more resentment against people such as yourself.

where did i say force them? i said i see at as insult which i do... that doesn't mean they should be forced to do it. there is a vast difference.

[cuafpr]

Good for him. Other people need to know unlawul things are taking place.


Since when is a religion or an idea a person?

I can respect people but I don't have to respect their beliefs.

and your last sentence is why you should stand out of respect of that person.... again its your right not to i just find it disrespectful to so if you do respect him and yet you don't stand ... that is just odd to me.

[Crissi]

where did i say force them? i said i see at as insult which i do... that doesn't mean they should be forced to do it. there is a vast difference.

and that's your right to feel offended. Now to throw them out over your personal feelings of being offended, thats stupid. This is not a private business, this is a governmental meeting where free speech does apply, and not standing for something you honestly dont believe in doing falls under that.

[Mifuyne]

and your last sentence is why you should stand out of respect of that person.... again its your right not to i just find it disrespectful to so if you do respect him and yet you don't stand ... that is just odd to me.

You can respect someone but that doesn't mean you want to jump off a bridge after them.