Should Immigrants be Encouraged to Assimilate Into Their New Country's Culture?

[Theinquisition]

if integration is failing is it good to continue immigration?

Of course, and while at it, its a good idea to bend over and take it on the ol hershey highway with a cactus

[Zaqwert]

The most peaceful countries on earth are those with the most homogenous populations.

All the most violent parts of the world are places where vastly different people are all mixed in together.

Assimilation is not only the right way, it's the only way.

[Exaelitus]

Yes. At the very least immigrants should be expected to respect and acknowledge the cultural norms of the country that they're moving to. They should also be able to speak the language fluently and be willing to actually integrate and interact with the native population.

I get that this is your preference; but aside from illegal activity, shouldn't it be personal choice? A native (interesting choice of words btw), doesn't even have to interact with the native population anymore than an immigrant. A healthy culture is generally something we participate in freely and shape naturally. You don't tell people who they have to interact with, and you don't mandate how they speak. Most people can't even accomplish that with their own children. The question was, if we should force or strongly encourage immigrants to assimilate, and you generally can't do that without adopting some very unbecoming cultural traits.

They should also be prepared to adapt to the humour of the country they're moving to instead of screaming about being 'offended' because an innocent joke or comment is taken out of context by overly sensitive individuals.

I see what you're trying to get at, the problem is, taking jokes out of context and being offended isn't exactly foreign to your culture or mine. Now committing violence over it usually requires some action.

[Nathiest]

Gawd yes!..............

[Sylar Hao]

The way I see it, language and culture are a must. You cannot pretend to live in a country and force a stablished culture and language to accomodate to yours, you are the one who must adapt to the country that welcomes you. But, that doesn't mean you have to completely shut down your own roots, when you are at home you make use of any tradition or language you want. Plus, it differs a lot from a country to another, or places inside the same country. Some are really open-minded and won't mind most of your own culture carried by you, while others will really push you or force you to become one of them.

But in my opinion, if the inmigrant's culture/roots/whatever conflicts with the one of the his/her new country, then they must adapt or reserve it to home.

[Fullmetal89]

I think you should adhere to your new countries values and laws, but that doesn't mean you should forget your heritage. Learn the language, learn the laws, embrace the new culture but remember your roots.

[Theinquisition]

I think you should adhere to your new countries values and laws, but that doesn't mean you should forget your heritage. Learn the language, learn the laws, embrace the new culture but remember your roots.

nothing wrong with this at all. I'd say as long as someone is willing to adopt the social norms, and obey the laws of their host country, they should be welcome. I also believe however that some cultures are just so different that they just wouldn't be capable of doing that very easily, if at all.

Whats irritating, is the segments of the population that don't want to adapt or intregate, and believe the culture of their native country is superior, even if they come from parts of the world that are always in upheaval and war.

[Rukentuts]

Rukentuts ignoring statistics and facts in the name of political correctness, nothing new to see here folks.

You know statistics are meaningless without reasoning behind them, right?

[Exaelitus]

nothing wrong with this at all. I'd say as long as someone is willing to adopt the social norms, and obey the laws of their host country, they should be welcome. I also believe however that some cultures are just so different that they just wouldn't be capable of doing that very easily, if at all.

Whats irritating, is the segments of the population that don't want to adapt or intregate, and believe the culture of their native country is superior, even if they come from parts of the world that are always in upheaval and war.

After living abroad, I've yet to see a segment of the US population that fails to assimilate anywhere near as poorly as the Americans, Europeans, and Australians in Japan, Korea, and China.

[Deleted]

If you can speak and write in the language of the country you chose to move to, as well as to understand and publicly comply with local customs. Then I have no issue with your culture and what you do on your free time, unless it involves either murder or genital mutilation of infants. Other than that, go for it, and have fun!

[Theinquisition]

After living abroad, I've yet to see a segment of the US population that fails to assimilate anywhere near as poorly as the Americans, Europeans, and Australians in Japan, Korea, and China.

Never said we are perfect. If they can't assimilate into the asian culture than perhaps they shouldn't live there.

[Fullmetal89]

nothing wrong with this at all. I'd say as long as someone is willing to adopt the social norms, and obey the laws of their host country, they should be welcome. I also believe however that some cultures are just so different that they just wouldn't be capable of doing that very easily, if at all.

Whats irritating, is the segments of the population that don't want to adapt or intregate, and believe the culture of their native country is superior, even if they come from parts of the world that are always in upheaval and war.

Absolutely agree, this is coming from someone who grew up in Miami, thankfully I've moved out of that hell hole and now live in Ohio. Most of my family are Cuban expatriates and Franco's Spain's expatriates, most of them got adjusted to life in the U.S. pretty easily. That said a lot of people I grew up with in Miami, both family and friends refuse to learn the language. I find it as annoying as anyone else who doesn't speak Spanish when I walk into a store in Miami and nobody speaks English. Even though I'm fluent in Spanish it annoys the hell out of me that some of them don't even try to learn the language. I'm not talking about some store in Little Havana either, but places like Best Buy, McDonald's or Brandsmart.

After living abroad, I've yet to see a segment of the US population that fails to assimilate anywhere near as poorly as the Americans, Europeans, and Australians in Japan, Korea, and China.

Yeah this is true as well. I lived in Buenos Aires and Mexico City for a few years and most of us Americans pretty much stuck together. There was like a U.S. embassy's clique, we would all eat BBQ's on Sunday's at the ambassadors house. Especially in Argentina where there were hardly any Americans. Almost all the American kids would go to the one American restaurant in BA, called Dallas or Kansas if I recall correctly. Admittedly we had limited options in Argentina since when I was living there (right after 9/11) things got really dangerous, especially for foreigners.

[Deleted]

Well im sure Tomatoketchup will find a way to spin it like it's a good thing. Meanwhile crime from those segments will continue to rise, especially violent crimes Such as rape and battery.

I mean who cares if young Swedish women are getting raped right? I mean...pfffft, obviously Asylums seekers percived rights are more valuable then the rights of young women to live their lives without the worry of being gang raped.

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Holy snot..someone actually defended me on here. First time for everything I guess.

Thx Wildtree.

The Social Democrats are the ones who want to decrease labor immigration, which I find utterly idiotic. My policy is that if they want to come to Sweden, and in the case of refugees that actually managed to get to Sweden, you should get to stay. At the same time it's important that other European countries take their responsibility.

The key is good integration. Know what that word means?

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I take it Tyskland is Germany, right?
Appears to prove my suspicion. Sweden takes way too many people, given it's regular population count.

That's 0.0004% of our population every year. It's not Sweden that's the problem, it's the rest of Europe.

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if integration is failing is it good to continue immigration?

Failing? We barely have any integration politics. With the Sweden Democrats getting 13% in Riksdagen the rest of our political parties have to start talking integration in order to halt their advance.

[Deleted]

I love how people (men) from sweden gets banned one after one. I am assimilated myself cause i was born and raised by Swedes but the more time that passes the more i feel like i should stop being it.

Please do encourage people to assimilate. Good luck to make someone like your cold hearts.

Not saying i hate Sweden, i love the women and the nature;D

Think i will racially mix with one just for you.

[Eats Compost]

Migrants absolutely should be encouraged to assimilate, at least to a degree. The raw truth of the matter is that some cultural elements of some countries are just plain undesirable or outright unacceptable in others. How women are treated, how conflicts are resolved, how rights are viewed, stuff like that. As an off-the-cuff example, trying to impose Shariah law in a western nation, to me, bears itself as an insult to the right to be in that country in the first place. If it comes down to a conflict of culture between a country of origin and country of residence, the country of residence should win out. I can't stress enough that this only applies to the elements of a culture that are problematic in that way, though. If they don't cause any such issue, it's no-one's business.

Also, segregation is bad, self-imposed or otherwise. The formation of ghettos isn't good for anybody.

[Deleted]

My policy is that if they want to come to Sweden, and in the case of refugees that actually managed to get to Sweden, you should get to stay. At the same time it's important that other European countries take their responsibility.

okay so if all the refugees in the world would somehow make it to sweden it would be okay for them to receive residency permit? that's 40 million or more

That's 0.0004% of our population every year. It's not Sweden that's the problem, it's the rest of Europe.

someone can't do maths, 1% of the population is 94000 roughly. if you get 60000 in a year that's not 0.0004%, that's 0.7% of the population approximately

Failing? We barely have any integration politics. With the Sweden Democrats getting 13% in Riksdagen the rest of our political parties have to start talking integration in order to halt their advance.

what happened with the earlier immigration waves 30-40 years ago? why did that work?

[Deleted]

okay so if all the refugees in the world would somehow make it to sweden it would be okay for them to receive residency permit? that's 40 million or more

No. But we don't meet waves with millions of people. We meet at most a few thousand.

someone can't do maths, 1% of the population is 94000 roughly. if you get 60000 in a year that's not 0.0004%, that's 0.7% of the population approximately

I was speaking refugees, not immigrants in general. What's bad about a 0,7% increase?

what happened with the earlier immigration waves 30-40 years ago? why did that work?

They were simpler times when the majority of labor in Sweden was simple. Factory workers and that. Nowadays Sweden need to fill job positions that require academical or specialist experience, and not even that is certain to land some immigrants jobs even if they are engineers.

What we're steering into is an issue of how to give non-academics jobs, both immigrants and youngsters, in times of recession.

[Xanjori]

I love how people (men) from sweden gets banned one after one. I am assimilated myself cause i was born and raised by Swedes but the more time that passes the more i feel like i should stop being it.

Please do encourage people to assimilate. Good luck to make someone like your cold hearts.

Not saying i hate Sweden, i love the women and the nature;D

Think i will racially mix with one just for you.

You realise the only Swede to get banned in this thread was a female right?

[Theinquisition]

Agree.
And what culture would that be?
Because in my experience people of all cultures integrate easily.
The unwillingness to adapt and to integrate is something on an individual level, not on a cultural one.
And why is that an issue? They can think whatever they want to think.
But if you don't learn the customs and language, it's not my problem if they cannot get a job and we shouldn't spend any effort or money on those people.

Well, I guess it depends really. Here in the states I think I can see some of it from the Hispanic culture, although the problem is very minor and isn't nearly as pronounced as it seems to be in Europe with the Islamic culture.

[Deleted]

No. But we don't meet waves with millions of people. We meet at most a few thousand.

a few thousand isn't 60k, that's closer to hundred thousands rather than closer to a few thousand

I was speaking refugees, not immigrants in general. What's bad about a 0,7% increase?

i was speaking about refugees according to the graph that was linked earlier which put it at 3,320 / million inhabitant for 6 months, with 9,4 million population that puts it at 62,416 for a year if that rate holds, which is 0.7% increase by asylum seekers and then you add the other types of migration and you end up well above 1% per year, don't try to play number tricks on me, it's nowhere close to 0.0004% as you claimed it to be

are you not aware of the number of people coming to your country? your country is obviously incapable of handling the rapid & high increase in population caused by the asylum seekers who have next to no education and even after 15 years they never reach an employment rate that would make them self-sufficient and not a burden on the state, you take too many in a too short time