6.0 Enhancement stat weights (question)

[Esrgoode]

Hi all,

So I am a returning player back for WoD and I am trying to get myself in a good place for the upheaval next week when 6.0 drops.

Am I right in thinking that the stat weight will be agi > haste > mastery = multistrike > crit or have I totally mis-read/mis understood the feedback coming from the beta?

There seems to be very little of any real substance that I have found on't'internet other than "haste is good".

Does anyone have any clarification (it will matter how I gem on weds I suppose for the last 4(?) weeks) on the stat weights? even "lol nub read this link" will be very much appreciated.

Should I be replacing the agi gems with agi+haste in reds and going full haste in yellows, or leaving them as they are (agi in red, agi haste in yellow)

Many thanks in advance,
Esr.

[Arkuri]

I'm not 100% sure as of yet, but I'm thinking from what I've seen on gear, and how the abilities scale, Mastery is our go-to stat after Agility?
Agility - Mastery - Multistrike - Haste - Crit.

Sims are... screwy recently, and seem to give very different results from different people. And to top it off, Enhancement seems to be the 'least reviewed' out of the Beta specializations... Which is sort of sad, considering Shamans have the most raid utility in Draenor, with Hunter's, Holy Priests, and Resto Druids right behind them, and then each spec having a little alteration in some of their raid utility adjustments.

[Arkuri]

That error rate, oh my... o_o;;

[Esrgoode]

Well according to Simcraft on 9th October this is the priority.

OK thats perfect ty.

[jayinjersey]

There's an addendum...

Haste 50% is our "soft cap"...then it begins to interfere with the GCD

[SinR]

There's an addendum...

Haste 50% is our "soft cap"...then it begins to interfere with the GCD

At what point do you see Enhance Shaman hitting 50% haste without CDs and Procs?

[kubuntu]

t18 or t19 probably for t17 you can get around 30% with mythic gear

[Raiju]

At what point do you see Enhance Shaman hitting 50% haste without CDs and Procs?

We're already sitting 40+% without gemming / enchanting it and prioritizing mastery gear over haste (although often pieces have both). For me that's with 11.XK haste vs 21k mastery

Hitting 50% haste assuming it's our top stat would be pretty much a guarantee.

I haven't been too bothered, was planning to go for haste anyway in 6.0 but I'm not sure that sim is applicable, its T17N which is in that level of gear (not near the haste cap) at level 100 with some perk interference and the new talents.

[jayinjersey]

I plan to be 50% at 6.0 launch


At least that's what I am on the PTR...well 49.8...but close enough.



A lot of gear that was "Hunter gear" (hit/expertise + crit) will have new uses...and I've been saving/storing

[Murderdoll]

Im something like 42% haste with following a Agi > Mastery > Haste priority so I will easily reach that 50% next week.

What I am more confused about is what we will be doing about gear and talents.

I havent been doing too much testing in a few weeks nor been following to closely at the changes in the past say 3 weeks. But last time I checked, our tier wasnt going to be of any use and reports about our 2 peice are very sketchy.

Does 2 piece still work? Does that mean we will be wanting to go back to Unleashed Fury?

[Raiju]

Last I heard the 2 piece only procced unleash flame, which while helping LB doesn't give any of the WF benefits... I also imagine most are killing stuff so quickly PE weights higher naturally.

[Murderdoll]

Unfortunately, I havent bothered to take many of the Heroic peices that were dropping to replace my tier instead favoring to gear up our new players heading into 20man.

Dammit.

I really wish I could just not come back untill WoD.

[Xanda]

Last I heard the 2 piece only procced unleash flame, which while helping LB doesn't give any of the WF benefits... I also imagine most are killing stuff so quickly PE weights higher naturally.

It works normally now.

[jayinjersey]

As of right now, it is still not working on PTR


I get no difference in buffs over 15m parse with 2P and 0P

Only time I get Unleashed Air and Fire...is when I press Unleashed Elements

[Zixan]

Even at 50% haste, the cooldown for SS, LL, and FN continue to go down, and MSW stack continue to accumulate. The 50% is a pretty minor softcap, really.

[Deleted]

Even at 50% haste, the cooldown for SS, LL, and FN continue to go down, and MSW stack continue to accumulate. The 50% is a pretty minor softcap, really.

Well you simply lose a lot of value because you can't use it anymore.
Right now on t16 h profile haste is the eeakest stat and even crit is a lot stronger because that profile already has a lot of haste.

[Nitwit]

Even at 50% haste, the cooldown for SS, LL, and FN continue to go down, and MSW stack continue to accumulate. The 50% is a pretty minor softcap, really.

I suppose that depends on your definition of minor. If you do a dps stat plot for haste in SimC's T17M profile, then you'll notice that haste's line is angled above the x-axis by about ~29º before 50% haste, but only by about ~22º or so after 50% haste. That's nearly a 25% reduction in the stat's slope. It's "minor" in the sense that haste still preserves the great majority of its value (~75-80% of it), but it's "major" in the sense that haste clearly becomes your worst stat beyond that point.

[Grimbold21]

Sooo, come 6.0, we're gonna have to switch any gem with mastery on it? At least to reach 50% or near it?

Right now, with a Echo/UF spec - yes i dislike EM/PE - im running with 80% mastery and 38% haste.

[Deleted]

What will be the BiS enchants due to the fucked up scaling they ended up doing with it? Will Mongoose be good for weapons?

[Deleted]

What will be the BiS enchants due to the fucked up scaling they ended up doing with it? Will Mongoose be good for weapons?

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