[6.0 Guide] Protection - "We still have heroic strike, don't be jealous"

[Marok]

Just so this is all in one place, here are the BiS lists for a defensive setup and DPS setup both with and without 725 dungeon gear.

BiS for a defensive Crit>Mastery build (I'm not including 4-piece for this. If you need/want 4-piece you'll have to equip tier helm/shoulders/legs/gloves:

Head: Faceguard of Iron Wrath
Neck: World Ender's Gorget
Shoulders: Doomcrier's Shoulderplates
Cloak: Void Lord's Wizened Cloak
Chest: Stamped Felsteel Chestplate
Bracers: Wristplate of the Wretched
Gloves: Crimson Throatgrabbers
Waist: Annihilan's Waistplate
Legs: Legplates of Iron Wrath
Boots: Cruel Hope Crushers
Ring: Mannoroth's Calcified Eye
Weapon: Felstricken Sha'tari Crystalsword
Shield: Smoldercore Bulwark

With 725 dungeon gear (differences in bold):

Head: Faceguard of Iron Wrath
Neck: World Ender's Gorget
Shoulders: Doomcrier's Shoulderplates
Cloak: Void Lord's Wizened Cloak
Chest: Gutcrusher Chestplate
Bracers: Wristplate of the Wretched
Gloves: Crimson Throatgrabbers
Waist: Annihilan's Waistplate
Legs: Legplates of Iron Wrath
Boots: Cruel Hope Crushers
Ring: Mannoroth's Calcified Eye
Weapon: Felstricken Sha'tari Crystalsword
Shield: Draconian Doomshield

Getting Warforged pieces from HFC is far more likely and will be better than almost all of the Mythic dungeon gear. Taking Warforged into account, only the Draconian Doomshield from the above list is actually better than the HFC gear from the original list. So the only dungeon worth running every week is UBRS for the shield.

BiS list for a pure DPS build:

Head: Casque of Foul Concentration
Neck: World Ender's Gorget
Shoulders: Doomcrier's Shoulderplates
Cloak: Void Lord's Wizened Cloak
Chest: Breastplate of Iron Wrath
Wrists: Wristplate of the Wretched (better than Breach-Scarred Wristplates because the haste on those is wasted as you're already hitting 12.5%)
Gloves: Gauntlets of Derision
Waist: Annihilan's Waistplate
Legs: Legguards of Grievous Consonances
Feet: Treads of the Defiler
Ring: Zakuun's Signet of Command
Weapon: Fiendsbreath Warmace
Shield: Fallen Defender of Argus
Trinket 1: Empty Drinking Horn
Trinket 2: Tablet of Turnbuckle Teamwork/Unending Hunger

With 725 dungeon gear (differences in bold):

Head: Goldsteel Greathelm
Neck: World Ender's Gorget
Shoulders: Doomcrier's Shoulderplates
Cloak: Void Lord's Wizened Cloak
Chest: Breastplate of Iron Wrath
Wrists: Wristplate of the Wretched
Gloves: Gauntlets of Derision
Waist: Annihilan's Waistplate
Legs: Legguards of Grievous Consonances
Feet: Treads of the Defiler
Ring: Zakuun's Signet of Command
Weapon: Fiendsbreath Warmace
Shield: Fallen Defender of Argus
Trinket 1: Empty Drinking Horn
Trinket 2: Tablet of Turnbuckle Teamwork/Unending Hunger

So yea, just the helm, and it's a difference of about ~30 DPS... Of course, getting a Warforged Casque of Foul Concentration is much more likely and is going to be better.

For anyone that's interested, here's the DPS, TMI, and DTPS differences between the two builds:

[Pippo89]

Hey fellow tank warriors, little question here for some clarity:

721 Annihilan's Waistplate (heroic warforged)
or
720 Girdle of Savage Resolve (mythic + socket)?

GoSR would give more mastery but I'd lose crit in favor of versatility. Which one would you keep and upgrade? They're so close to each other.

Thanks in advance and cheers!

[Marok]

Hey fellow tank warriors, little question here for some clarity:

721 Annihilan's Waistplate (heroic warforged)
or
720 Girdle of Savage Resolve (mythic + socket)?

GoSR would give more mastery but I'd lose crit in favor of versatility. Which one would you keep and upgrade? They're so close to each other.

Thanks in advance and cheers!

I ran a quick sim and both belts are basically identical in terms of DPS and defensive value, with Girdle of Savage Resolve barely pulling ahead. Which makes sense because sockets are usually more valuable than WF.

[Hsgames]

Thanks for the BIS

[Cybrus]

So is Mastery>Crit completely off the table at this point?

[Cylunaria]

Mastery has been worse than crit in most situations this entire expac. The thing that has kept a lot of people attached to mastery (myself included for a long time) was that it's a feel-good stat. You feel better with higher mastery. You notice those crit blocks more easily than you notice 10 extra rage on most of your Sbar's or the more frequent revenge chains you get.

[Dean94]

Mastery has been worse than crit in most situations this entire expac.

uwotm8. Mastery was leagues better defensively in BRF because of the 2 and 4 set, and was better for the harder fights maidens/blackhand etc and from memory majority of warriors used mastery gems/enchants in highmaul.

[Detritivores]

From what I recall, mastery did well in hm/brf with accurate boss modeling, whereas just the default boss sim showed crit ahead but wasn't terribly realistic. That and brf tier bonuses were all mastery-favorable.

There is definitely also a feel-good element as Cylunaria said. Mastery certainly increases smoothness and is noticeable, especially at lower gear levels.

[Marok]

So is Mastery>Crit completely off the table at this point?

Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to ignore you on that. I'll see if I can make a list when I have time.

[Cylunaria]

uwotm8. Mastery was leagues better defensively in BRF because of the 2 and 4 set, and was better for the harder fights maidens/blackhand etc and from memory majority of warriors used mastery gems/enchants in highmaul.

With 2&4set yes mastery was definitely ahead. My mistake for not including that in the thought process, and I was still going for it in gems/enchants as well back then. Excluding 2&4 set or adding in higher amounts of unblockable damage crit has always been better (Though we more looked at Vers back then as our secondary stat defensively since we had decent itemization for it in some places compared to HFC where we have so many options for Crit/Mastery). I was always of the feeling that we needed to gear ourselves more during our shield block downtime or for unblockable damage though since those are the areas where you are more likely to die.

[Deleted]

Hi guys, we are progressing on mythic xhul at the moment and I'm having trouble finding the right trinkets. What I used so far: WBR + Anzu or WBR + Sigil

edit: im tanking the green add

[Tummyrubs]

Hi guys, we are progressing on mythic xhul at the moment and I'm having trouble finding the right trinkets. What I used so far: WBR + Anzu or WBR + Sigil

edit: im tanking the green add

I went w/ wbr and anzu and had no issues. Just walled one flurry/fel strike combo and 4pc with the absorb pot for the other flurry/strike combo. I've never been a fan of stam so ill always go against sigil.

[Deleted]

I went w/ wbr and anzu and had no issues. Just walled one flurry/fel strike combo and 4pc with the absorb pot for the other flurry/strike combo. I've never been a fan of stam so ill always go against sigil.

Only thing might be WUE instead of Anzus, the healing it does on that fight is mental

[Deleted]

Thx for the replies, unfortunately I don't have access to mythic WUE because I haven't seen it drop once in 8+ kills

[Dean94]

Has anyone used the DPS heirloom trinket on a demon boss in hfc yet?

Edit: If so, please link logs

[rystrave]

Has anyone used the DPS heirloom trinket on a demon boss in hfc yet?

Edit: If so, please link logs

I am actually going to try tonight. I'll post here after raid with my results.

[Deleted]

I doubt it will be able to compete with an upgraded EDH or a UH but it won't be bad if you are using heroic gear.

[Marok]

I used the heirloom trinket on Mythic Manno last night, here are the logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&source=9

[rystrave]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...ability=201405

Granted it was only normal, but we have it on farm for the ring upgrade. Proc'd 8 times is all, but I could tell a slight difference in the increase in DPS. I normally run heroic Anzu and mythic BFD.

[Breccia]

I used the heirloom trinket on Mythic Manno last night, here are the logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&source=9

3 uses of the trinket and it was the majority of your self-heals/absorbs? That seems pretty handy. Were you doing anything nonstandard during the fight?