US Setting Stage for Invasion of Syria to Overthrow Syrian Govt

[Deleted]

When the world suffers SOMEONE must get involved, someone who can FIX things. Isn't that the fucking point of society?! You would just stand aside at a mugging because it's not your fucking business to involve?! You make me so fucking sick!! It's people like YOU that are dragging down society with your non-involvement "because it's not my business".

It's not our business and we don't have enough info to decide what our response should even be. We shouldn't act like some headless chicken when we see a conflict somewhere in the world. Fucking think for once.

How would you like the whole world to gang up on you just because you declared your independence? It's their business, they should sort it out. You can argue however you want, if Assad is a maniac or not, but if he is, at least he is a known maniac.

No, we aren't going to be responsible for another bloodshed. You aren't going to drag us into it.

[Hooked]

When the world suffers SOMEONE must get involved, someone who can FIX things. Isn't that the fucking point of society?! You would just stand aside at a mugging because it's not your fucking business to involve?! You make me so fucking sick!! It's people like YOU that are dragging down society with your non-involvement "because it's not my business".

Why aren't we putting sanctions on countries that supply aid and comfort to this group ISIS?. That would be the most effective way to start anyways.

[Kraenen]

Iraq was stable, now look at it. North African countries were stable also, now look at them.

Right - but that's not the opposite of the US overthrowing the Saddam regime. Also still need to support your original claim, that the same people who wanted saddam to stay in power were the ones who overthrew middle eastern governments.

[Deleted]

The problem is that when people say 'involvement' they want a half-pregnant approach. You cannot have foreign intervention to stabilize a situation and still have self-government.

And that's the core of the issue; these conflicts are generated for want of stable political establishment. Foreign intervention is nothing more than a Band-Aid in that case.

Which is why a permanent military presence is required. Maybe it will take 50 years to eliminate the dangerous characters and for the country to borrow western values and stop adhering to their own that encourage conflict, but it can be done.

[Elegiac]

Which is why a permanent military presence is require. Maybe it will take 50 years to eliminate the dangerous characters and for the country to borrow western values and stop adhering to their own that encourage conflict, but it can be done.

Colonialism isn't very fashionable these days.

[Deleted]

Where does your info graphic come from? Are the numbers real or made up?

Wiki, sourced by this:
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...22893/abstract

[Independent voter]

It's not our business and we don't have enough info to decide what our response should even be. We shouldn't act like some headless chicken when we see a conflict somewhere in the world. Fucking think for once.

How would you like the whole world to gang up on you just because you declared your independence? It's their business, they should sort it out. You can argue however you want, if Assad is a maniac or not, but if he is, at least he is a known maniac.

No, we aren't going to be responsible for another bloodshed. You aren't going to drag us into it.

Turkey is allowing the US to use it's bases. Drone strikes from Turkey will take a very short time and there will be many of them per day. Are you okay with this?

[Deleted]

Colonialism isn't very fashionable these days.

This is a different situation. It's not colonialism, it's peacekeeping and it seems to be mandatory.

[Hooked]

Are the numbers on your info graphic real?

Turkey is allowing the US to use it's bases. Drone strikes from Turkey will take a very short time and there will be many of them per day. Are you okay with this?

Turkey is not allowing the us to use its bases, they were offended that we implied that.

[Elegiac]

This is a different situation. It's not colonialism, it's peacekeeping and it seems to be mandatory.

A permanent military presence and political control constitutes colonialism to a tee.

Not that I'm actually -opposed- to colonial imperialism, but it's not considered acceptable practice these days.

[Deleted]

Turkey is allowing the US to use it's bases. Drone strikes from Turkey will take a very short time and there will be many of them per day. Are you okay with this?

Read the post above.
I'm not OK with any strikes, but if Syrian government agrees with it, I can't complain.

[Hooked]

The only time we should be involving ourselves in any wars is if its in our national security best interests.

[Elegiac]

The only time we should be involving ourselves in any wars is if its in our national security best interests.

Isolationism doesn't work in a globalized economy.

[Hooked]

Isolationism doesn't work in a globalized economy.

Global economy has so far been a net loss for us it seems, since we are 17 trillion in the hole.. I think some isolation would be good.

[Independent voter]

Turkey is not allowing the us to use its bases, they were offended that we implied that.

us-and-coalition-forces-can-use-our-bases-for-attacks-against-islamic-state-turkey

"Turkey will let US and coalition forces use its bases for attacks against Islamic State (IS) militants in Syria and Iraq, American defence sources have said."

"The sites, they said, included a key installation within 100 miles of the Syrian border, and Turkish bases include Incirlik in the south. US defence secretary Chuck Hagel has said America wanted access to the Turkish bases."

The US will be in Turkey 50 years from now. We used to have bases in Turkey during the Cold War.

[Elegiac]

Global economy has so far been a net loss for us it seems, since we are 17 trillion in the hole.. I think some isolation would be good.

The 17 trillion dollar hole is precisely because the US engaged in conflicts which were not economically relevant. The global economy is what sustains the US as a power.

[Hammerfest]

Obama's not going to invade anybody.

[Gumboy]

Why aren't we putting sanctions on countries that supply aid and comfort to this group ISIS?. That would be the most effective way to start anyways.

Because the major country doing that is a major "Ally" of us and in Nato?

[Hooked]

us-and-coalition-forces-can-use-our-bases-for-attacks-against-islamic-state-turkey

"Turkey will let US and coalition forces use its bases for attacks against Islamic State (IS) militants in Syria and Iraq, American defence sources have said."

"The sites, they said, included a key installation within 100 miles of the Syrian border, and Turkish bases include Incirlik in the south. US defence secretary Chuck Hagel has said America wanted access to the Turkish bases."

The US will be in Turkey 50 years from now. We used to have bases in Turkey during the Cold War.

This article is a little fresher I think.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...enia_Coalition

[Independent voter]

This article is a little fresher I think.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...enia_Coalition

"Air Base, located about 50 kilometers inland from the Mediterranean Sea in southern Turkey, is home to the U.S. Air Force's 39th Air Base Wing and about 1,500 American military personnel and is key to protecting NATO's southern flank"

I was wondering what we did with that Air Wing. Looks like the US has had troops in Turkey since 1960's.