No more anonimity on the internet, you for or against?

[Giscoicus]

For it. Sick of people feeling they can say whatever they want, to who ever they want because the monitor refrains from any sort of retribution for those actions. My local news went to facebook comments only, and my oh my the trolling and racist posts sure did seem to stop.

I can walk up to you in real life and say whatever I want too; you dont know my name and won't unless I or somebody else tells you it. It has nothing to do with being on a computer, it has to do with what information I choose to disclose.

What you pretty much said is that you want to force people to disclose more information about themselves so that you or other internet vigilantes can use their name and whatever else you can get your hands on so they face "retribution" for saying something you don't like. Do you not see why thats ridiculous? People calling a person's employer to get them fired because he said something they felt was racist, messaging the persons friends to try have them sever ties over what a person said on MMO Champion?

I could scream racial slurs at you for an hour in real life and nothing would happen; you wouldnt be able to find my employer or message my friends. I make a post online and suddenly you use all my personal information to get back at me, somebody you dont know, for what I think?

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Already did.

The benefit is the ability to attack people's real life--people you have never met--for something they say online.

[Zoaric]

Against, I'd hate people to know that I'm really a cat in a suit.

EDIT: Crap, you all know now.

* hisses and flees*

[Stop Pretending]

I can walk up to you in real life and say whatever I want too; you dont know my name and won't unless I or somebody else tells you it. It has nothing to do with being on a computer, it has to do with what information I choose to disclose.

What you pretty much said is that you want to force people to disclose more information about themselves so that you or other internet vigilantes can use their name and whatever else you can get your hands on so they face "retribution" for saying something you don't like. Do you not see why thats ridiculous? People calling a person's employer to get them fired because he said something they felt was racist, messaging the persons friends to try have them sever ties over what a person said on MMO Champion?

I could scream racial slurs at you for an hour in real life and nothing would happen; you wouldnt be able to find my employer or message my friends. I make a post online and suddenly you use all my personal information to get back at me, somebody you dont know, for what I think?

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The benefit is the ability to attack people's real life--people you have never met--for something they say online.

You can walk up to me and say whatever, but then it leaves me to decide if what you said is worth knocking you out. See how the in the face of conesquenses, the stupidity, shit posting, and racist bullshit might actually, i dunno, slow down, or stop?

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The benefit is the ability to attack people's real life--people you have never met--for something they say online.

No, i'm for it for stopping shit posting, trolling, and stupidity people feel they can get away with.

[Reeve]

Against. While anonymity can allow some people to act like asshats, it's a small price to pay for the free and open passing of opinions and information. Much of Arab Spring never could have happened without an anonymous internet. Yeah, it didn't turn out that well in the end, but the ability to organize anonymously is important.

[Hishiro]

Sometimes i think stripping people of their anonimity on the internet would do the world so much good. Trolls would be gone, hackers would have a tougher life, assholes would think twice and so on. Ofcourse there should be something in place that keeps FI companies from fireing people over opinions and stuff like that, but still. I think wed have a way better experience alltogether.

What do you think?

[Giscoicus]

You can walk up to me and say whatever, but then it leaves me to decide if what you said is worth knocking you out. See how the in the face of conesquenses, the stupidity, shit posting, and racist bullshit might actually, i dunno, slow down, or stop?

And in real life you can be arrested for doing so. Doesn't matter what I say to you, especially if I don't actually insult, attacking me for speaking my mind will land you in trouble.

If we get rid of anonymity online then we also need to have laws punishing people who drag shit into real life. Capeesh? You can do all your internet vigilante shit for about a week then serve your punishment

[Revi]

Already did.

So you really just want to prevent people from being able to say whatever they like? Maybe you'd like China.

[Giscoicus]

No, i'm for it for stopping shit posting, trolling, and stupidity people feel they can get away with.

By attacking people's lives, those you have never met, for their thoughts.

Again, do you not see the problem with this? Tommy K. doesnt deserve to have his name dragged through the mud by you and as many other white knights as you can muster for what he says to another user in an online discussion.

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So you really just want to prevent people from saying whatever they like? Maybe you'd like China.

No no no, he wants to let people speak their mind so that he can lash out at their real life. He wants them to post what they want to say, that gives him more people to try to attack in real life.

[Aeno]

What are they saying that's untrue?

What are you quoting that is untrue? I didn't say anything about untruths.

[Al Gorefiend]

If you remove anonimity from the Internet, where will all the antisocial dweebs and misanthropes go to feel safe?

No support, you must think of the dweebs.

[Deleted]

Even though I post under my own name and even have my pic as my avatar, I do support anonimity. Let arguments matter, not the person themselves. People already easily resort to ad hominems without knowing anything about the other person.

[Tziva]

Even as someone who doesn't troll or do anything nefarious or shameful online, I am strongly against. My martial arts group doesn't need to know about my fondness for internet cats, my family doesn't need to know I participate in body modification rituals, my boss doesn't need to know my video game hobbies, and random strangers on the internet don't need to know where I live or work. I like things compartmentalised for a reason.

If particular sites want to force people to use facebook for commenting and whatnot, then fine. I don't need to comment. But totally eliminating anonymity on the internet would be a horrible idea. Sacrificing the privacy of everyone as some shitty troll deterrent is a huge detriment for an extremely minor (if any) gain; who knows if it would even work.

[Stop Pretending]

So you really just want to prevent people from being able to say whatever they like? Maybe you'd like China.

If it stops people from being racist bigots, or think they can troll the shit out of someone in which it leas to serious safety issues, then yes. I'm for it.

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No no no, he wants to let people speak their mind so that he can lash out at their real life. He wants them to post what they want to say, that gives him more people to try to attack in real life.

That's not what i said. You get an A for effort, and an F in reading comprehension.

[pateuvasiliu]

I'm iffy to tell strangers my name even in real life, if they'd make me do it on the internet heads would fall.

[Annoying]

Two internets. Internet #1 is the internet we have now. Internet #2 is super secure and is used for banking and shopping, no need to be anonymous on internet #2. Also you can put your granny on internet #2 and not have to worry.

There's already two of them. #1 is what we have now, and #2 is reserved for researchers at particular universities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet2

[Deleted]

If it stos people from being racist bigots, or think they can troll the shit out of someone in which it leas to serious safety issues, then yes. I'm for it.

so trolling someone that leads to serious safety issues is bad, but posting under your real name, which will give very easy access to a whole slew of personal information about you, is not bad? thats more of a safety issue.

[Stop Pretending]

Trolling leads to "safety issues"?

Maybe the real solution here is for you to grow up just a teeensy little bit.

Trust me trolls don't get to me. I'm talking about people who troll 14 year old girls. I like how you tried to attacked me though.

[Revi]

If it stops people from being racist bigots, or think they can troll the shit out of someone in which it leas to serious safety issues, then yes. I'm for it.

What about people reaching out for help from oppression/abuse/whatever? What about people voicing political opinions that could get them fired, or (as is the case in even some western countries) attacked? What about spreading information within and about tyrannical governments? What about whistle-blowing?

You can't seriously mean it should all be collateral damage so that people won't get their feelings hurt.

[Aeno]

Trust me trolls don't get to me. I'm talking about people who troll 14 year old girls. I like how you tried to attacked me though.

Quite the hasty conclusion you've made. Asking somebody to grow up = an attack? Veeeery interesting...

[Deleted]

it would make it easier for trolls, instead of just targetting you online, they now have access to your full name, and could most likely very easily find your address, place of work/school etc and harass you in real life as well now!