Why is the game "Hatred" getting a huge amount of negative feedback.

[Jtbrig7390]

But we're talking about video games...not a porno. You even specifically state "don't play it" in your post. One cannot play a pornographic movie. One can play a pornographic video game, in which there are no real people.

That's the difference.

Yep. That rule applys to Books/Movies/Games/Music. Don't like it don't Play it/Lissen to it/Read it/Watch It ect....

It is that simple even tho there is a group of people who don't think it is.

[The Casualty]

The point is that he thinks it's easy to just disregard something by the notion of, "if you don't like it, don't play it". It's a common argument used by many but it doesn't take in mind many factors. Just because you aren't actively participating in something doesn't mean that the existence of that something shouldn't bother you at all.

Now if he picked a different argument it's a whole different story.

I promise you that no reasonable person is raging at the fact that Mein Kampf exists and you can still buy copies (on Amazon no less).

[Chipperbane]

Let me ask you a hypothetical question.

If this game is to be defended, then would you also defend a Kitten Drowning Simulator? How about a game in which you graphically flay people with an apple peeler? How about an Auschwitz Guard Simulator(which actually sounds kind of interesting if the guard is properly humanized and shows genuine moral dilemma, but I digress - for the sake of this argument, he's a full blown dick, presumably like the main character of Hatred)? A Rape and Murder Simulator?

Is there a feasible limit to how... far entertainment goes before you take a step back and say "Woah." Where do you draw the line?

[PuppetShowJustice]

I agree with what Boogie said. Hatred just looks to be pushing the envelope for the sake of pushing the envelope.

Exactly this. The game is just trying too hard, frankly.

[prwraith]

I'll probably play it when i can. For curiosities sake. The wholesale slaughter thing doesn't really bother me. Its not like anyone is actually harmed by playing it. It's no worse than a rape sim game /shrug

[Jtbrig7390]

Let me ask you a hypothetical question.

If this game is to be defended, then would you also defend a Kitten Drowning Simulator? How about a game in which you graphically flay people with an apple peeler? How about an Auschwitz Guard Simulator(which actually sounds kind of interesting if the guard is properly humanized and shows genuine moral dilemma, but I digress - for the sake of this argument, he's a full blown dick, presumably like the main character of Hatred)? A Rape and Murder Simulator?

Is there a feasible limit to how... far entertainment goes before you take a step back and say "Woah." Where do you draw the line?

My line gets drawn at killing kids.

With that said they could come out with kid kiler 2014 and ill still say it has the right to be made so to answer ur question yes I would defend all of it. As long as the game dose not break any laws it has the right to be made. Hell there is books you can read that would put any game to same when it comes to gore and all.

Give it a AO rating if you have to but it has the right to be made.

[prwraith]

Let me ask you a hypothetical question.

If this game is to be defended, then would you also defend a Kitten Drowning Simulator? How about a game in which you graphically flay people with an apple peeler? How about an Auschwitz Guard Simulator(which actually sounds kind of interesting if the guard is properly humanized and shows genuine moral dilemma, but I digress - for the sake of this argument, he's a full blown dick, presumably like the main character of Hatred)? A Rape and Murder Simulator?

Is there a feasible limit to how... far entertainment goes before you take a step back and say "Woah." Where do you draw the line?

No

Because its a game in which no real persons get hurt. That's the line real people as long as nobody really gets hurt you could make a game about raping bunnies with decapitated cats headmdildos while reciting hitlers manifesto and I'd still play it just for curiosities sake

[Edge-]

If this game is to be defended, then would you also defend a Kitten Drowning Simulator?

Despite my absolute love of kittens, sure.

How about a game in which you graphically flay people with an apple peeler?

Provided it doesn't break any laws in the regions it's sold in, sure. Though I'd find it pretty disgusting.

How about an Auschwitz Guard Simulator(which actually sounds kind of interesting if the guard is properly humanized and shows genuine moral dilemma, but I digress - for the sake of this argument, he's a full blown dick, presumably like the main character of Hatred)?

Again, I'd have literally zero interest in it, but sure.

A Rape and Murder Simulator?

As before, as long as it was within the legal boundaries of the regions it's released in (rape simulators already exist, and there are more than a few games that can be considered/are murder simulators).

Is there a feasible limit to how... far entertainment goes before you take a step back and say "Woah." Where do you draw the line?

As far as I'm concerned, no. A game is, in part, expression. At its core, yes, it's a set of rules and limitations which dictate player behavior within the game. But it is/can be expression in the same way that much of the "low" art (dude cutting himself and spraying his blood on a canvas, for example) is expression. If that is offensive to folks, then that's unfortunate, but I don't find something being offensive/grotesque (there's an entire art exhibit dedicated to the human body dissected in various ways) grounds to draw a line. Provided these games do not advocate that folks go out and actually do these things and that they meet the legal requirements where they're released, I don't really draw much of a line.

[Deleted]

I'm... I'm so conflicted by this.. My personal ideals and everything I always advocate for seems wrong when seeing something like this being made for the purpose of entertainment. I've NEVER held ANY negative regard towards ANYONE for playing ANY video game available and I won't do so over anyone who can possibly feel like playing a game like this.. (my father always told me anything a person says before 'but' is worthless) but is this REALLY what some people want to play..?

I cringed and sat starring in horror at the screen when watching this trailer. I've seen SO many gore filled horror flicks without even flinching but when it comes to a video game where you're not just watching stuff like that happen but are actively taking part in it - and in the shoes of the mindless slaughterer of all things - I'm just.. I'm at a loss of words, really.

To make a final statement.. Uh.. I think that if there's people who wish to play a game like this then they should ofcourse be free to. But I'd wish there was not. I really, really wish there was not a market for this kind of thing. Knowing that some people consider this entertainment disturbs me far beyond the game itself being a game. But if.. that's what they.. want to play then have fun with it..

I need to seriously rethink what gaming means to me..

[Deleted]

Many love saying this and think hurt is only a physical affliction. This game might (and most likely will) hurt people on an emotional level. Calling these people 'butthurt' trivializes their pain. Doesn't emotional pain count as well? Is it not as bad as, or maybe even worse than, physical pain?

Freedom of X, has boundaries and I think that's a good thing. Boundless freedom essentially means freedom for no one: Limit the freedom of one, to protect the freedom of others (again, the harm principle).



Probably. Do you think they're dying to try them out on innocent civilians though?



Would you be comfortable watching fictional rape videos?

I already said I got no interest in watching it myself, but if others get off or are entertained by rape videos that are just fiction then by all means. It's fiction, as long nobody gets hurt there isn't an issue for me. You also can't bring up that people might be hurt on an emotional level as they chose them themselves to play the game.

I don't go to the theater to watch a horror if I don't like horror movies either, that's retarded beyond belief.

[Kurock]

answering thread opener:
A. its a different context, sometime an humoristic one
B. It's justifying the bad game the gaming industry is getting
C. there are a lot of criticism about the games you mentioned already, the difference are like I said the theme which this one is obliviously darker + add to the fact that GTA is an old time favorite before all the anti violence gaming criticism

It might be ironic but yeah I would say that game has passed some red line regarding deliberate mindless violence in modern context and something about it far more disturbs me and makes me worry about our society and industry then GTA/Postal/Miami (not to say that after I grew up and realized how fucked up those games are I stopped playing or liking them at all). I dont say a video game should be politically correct but yeah in short, this is just too much

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I looked at the posts and I read them. None prove me wrong. There is no difference in killing in GTA then there is in this game. The one and only difference is GTA has a better story.

Remember this


How is it any better then anything showed in the Hatred trailer. This guy was begging for his life and yet you just kept torturing him.

Reminds me of the Punisher interrogation scene lol Good god he's brutal.

In retrospect when this game does come out I will probably record some footage and make videos(So as long the devs don't destroy me in the proccess). I'll be honest, I don't like the premise of this game but I do believe it needs to be known what this game is and how I feel. That's the beauty and sometimes the unintended consequence of a Freedom of Speech/expression and so on and so forth.

We don't have to like the premise and the setting of the experience Hatred may give but we have to let it exist. Unfortunately if we do, it will set a precedent and we will have to ask ourselves.

"Where do we as gamers draw the line?"

GTA makes that difficult. Still, if the Media gets a hold of this. I may not as I mentioned, won't be there to criticize them. I may actually agree with them(Good lord if Rush Limbaugh makes me agree with him, I fear we will get a Cataclysm).

[Deleted]

I'm... I'm so conflicted by this.. My personal ideals and everything I always advocate for seems wrong when seeing something like this being made for the purpose of entertainment. I've NEVER held ANY negative regard towards ANYONE for playing ANY video game available and I won't do so over anyone who can possibly feel like playing a game like this.. (my father always told me anything a person says before 'but' is worthless) but is this REALLY what some people want to play..?

I cringed and sat starring in horror at the screen when watching this trailer. I've seen SO many gore filled horror flicks without even flinching but when it comes to a video game where you're not just watching stuff like that happen but are actively taking part in it - and in the shoes of the mindless slaughterer of all things - I'm just.. I'm at a loss of words, really.

To make a final statement.. Uh.. I think that if there's people who wish to play a game like this then they should ofcourse be free to. But I'd wish there was not. I really, really wish there was not a market for this kind of thing. Knowing that some people consider this entertainment disturbs me far beyond the game itself being a game. But if.. that's what they.. want to play then have fun with it..

I need to seriously rethink what gaming means to me..

You don't really, if you don't like this game that perfectly fine. You don't have to agree with something to allow others the freedom to still enjoy it.

[prwraith]

I'm... I'm so conflicted by this.. My personal ideals and everything I always advocate for seems wrong when seeing something like this being made for the purpose of entertainment. I've NEVER held ANY negative regard towards ANYONE for playing ANY video game available and I won't do so over anyone who can possibly feel like playing a game like this.. (my father always told me anything a person says before 'but' is worthless) but is this REALLY what some people want to play..?

I cringed and sat starring in horror at the screen when watching this trailer. I've seen SO many gore filled horror flicks without even flinching but when it comes to a video game where you're not just watching stuff like that happen but are actively taking part in it - and in the shoes of the mindless slaughterer of all things - I'm just.. I'm at a loss of words, really.

To make a final statement.. Uh.. I think that if there's people who wish to play a game like this then they should ofcourse be free to. But I'd wish there was not. I really, really wish there was not a market for this kind of thing. Knowing that some people consider this entertainment disturbs me far beyond the game itself being a game. But if.. that's what they.. want to play then have fun with it..

I need to seriously rethink what gaming means to me..

Is it really a surprise that some people have incredibly violent thoughts on a daily basis? Look at it this way better to release those thoughts on a video game that caters to your enjoyment rather than bottling it up and jumping off a cliff

[Deleted]

Reminds me of the Punisher interrogation scene lol Good god he's brutal.

In retrospect when this game does come out I will probably record some footage and make videos(So as long the devs don't destroy me in the proccess). I'll be honest, I don't like the premise of this game but I do believe it needs to be known what this game is and how I feel. That's the beauty and sometimes the unintended consequence of a Freedom of Speech/expression and so on and so forth.

We don't have to like the premise and the setting of the experience Hatred may give but we have to let it exist. Unfortunately if we do, it will set a precedent and we will have to ask ourselves.

"Where do we as gamers draw the line?"

GTA makes that difficult. Still, if the Media gets a hold of this. I may not as I mentioned, won't be there to criticize them. I may actually agree with them(Good lord if Rush Limbaugh makes me agree with him, I fear we will get a Cataclysm).

I'm not sure why we need to draw any line at all, it's fiction. Instead of worrying so much about children getting their hands on violent games (the only reason I could understand why people would not want this game released) I think it would be better to up check ups on stores following up the law and not selling these kind of games to children.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Is it really a surprise that some people have incredibly violent thoughts on a daily basis? Look at it this way better to release those thoughts on a video game that caters to your enjoyment rather than bottling it up and jumping off a cliff

Or cause someone actual harm. The problem is..... I fear this game in the wrong hands.....is just a tragedy waiting to happen but I REALLY REALLY HOPE I am wrong and continue to be wrong. I do not want to be right. I do not want this game to make us Gamers look bad nor do I want people that might die because of this.

[Deleted]

Is it really a surprise that some people have incredibly violent thoughts on a daily basis? Look at it this way better to release those thoughts on a video game that caters to your enjoyment rather than bottling it up and jumping off a cliff

If someone has the idea of hurting people irl then a game probably makes no difference, sick people will do sick stuff regardless of a game being out there.

[prwraith]

If someone has the idea of hurting people irl then a game probably makes no difference, sick people will do sick stuff regardless of a game being out there.

Well it's been established the violent video games don't make violent people so at the very least it won't hurt

[Deleted]

Or cause someone actual harm. The problem is..... I fear this game in the wrong hands.....is just a tragedy waiting to happen but I REALLY REALLY HOPE I am wrong and continue to be wrong. I do not want to be right. I do not want this game to make us Gamers look bad nor do I want people that might die because of this.

Why are you afraid of "gamers" looking bad? You have gamers that play only FPS, RPG, Platformers, RTS...heck you have gamers that mainly play Visual Novels. Only mainstream media should ever group all gamers into 1 group. Don't let the media make you into something you are not, you are the only person who has the power to do that.

[Deleted]

Is it really a surprise that some people have incredibly violent thoughts on a daily basis? Look at it this way better to release those thoughts on a video game that caters to your enjoyment rather than bottling it up and jumping off a cliff

I see your point, I really do, which is why I'm not opposed in the least to the game being released. And anyone who wishes to enjoy this kind of game should be completely free and able to do so. My point is simply that I wish games like this did not HAVE to exist since imagining people playing it and finding entertainment in them makes me feel awkward.

Realizing very well that it sounds strange to say that is what gives me an urge to really rethink what games means to ME anymore. But just like any art, its' up to one self to interpret the meaning behind it, I guess this game is no exception.

(Pardon my typo's, I'm not really thinking clearly at this moment.. Still a bit shocked by that trailer..)