Everybody should change to Troll right now?

[Bigbazz]

The main problem with Trolls right now is that the males look absolutely stupid when they run, and the females don't look much better.

[CollisionTD]

Weird even though race doesn't matter.. I see troll at the top of both lists, would seem that being a troll matters.

It doesn't matter because the #2/3 races are 49 dps/0.1% lower, #4/5 are 0.2% lower. You also have no chance of screwing up the tauren/dwarf racials, while you could screw up the timing on the troll racial.

[Ferg]

If you don't care about min-maxing don't post.

Shut the fuck up. Don't tell me when and where to post, especially if you have no idea what you're talking about.

/damn

[Xanthan]

Every difference "matters". It's just obviously wrong to claim anything else. If it's measurable, it matters. Whether or not you care is the only thing that changes from person to person. If you care about getting whatever advantage you can out of your race, you'll pick whichever race you think is best (whether that's the best single target dps, mobility, utility, whatever). This has always been true and will always be true so long as there are differences between the races. Stop trying to claim quantifiable differences "don't matter" just because they don't matter to you. This has been argued ad nauseum.

[Holofernes]

for every boss its unique, some favors utility / movement, some cc break, some pure dps potential. so either go hardcore minmax crazy and racechange for every boss you are progressing (it only cost a few bucks) or just take what u like most.

[Ferg]

Every difference "matters". It's just obviously wrong to claim anything else. If it's measurable, it matters. Whether or not you care is the only thing that changes from person to person. If you care about getting whatever advantage you can out of your race, you'll pick whichever race you think is best (whether that's the best single target dps, mobility, utility, whatever). This has always been true and will always be true so long as there are differences between the races. Stop trying to claim quantifiable differences "don't matter" just because they don't matter to you. This has been argued ad nauseum.

...Have you not seen the numbers?

Racials were completely revamped in WoD to be as close as possible, and they did a pretty damn good job.

It really doesn't matter.

[Deleted]

Yes, yes you should. The beast experience in particular will make a world of difference for you.

This is the exact reason why I turn down non-Trolls from my Mythic raiding team. I don't want to be waiting around at max level, while you slowly plod along without your beast experience bonus.

Seriously though, if you're race changing to a race you don't particularly like the look of, just for the racial bonuses, then unless you're in a world first competing guild, you're trying way too hard.

[CollisionTD]

Every difference "matters". It's just obviously wrong to claim anything else. If it's measurable, it matters. Whether or not you care is the only thing that changes from person to person. If you care about getting whatever advantage you can out of your race, you'll pick whichever race you think is best (whether that's the best single target dps, mobility, utility, whatever). This has always been true and will always be true so long as there are differences between the races. Stop trying to claim quantifiable differences "don't matter" just because they don't matter to you. This has been argued ad nauseum.

Nah, doesn't matter.

[Trubo]

If you don't care about min-maxing don't post.

Says the guy using sub-optimal gems and no notable raiding or PvP achievements from TBC to the present day.

[Biggles Worth]

PC Master Race

[Roshar]

PC Master Race

Every difference "matters". It's just obviously wrong to claim anything else. If it's measurable, it matters. Whether or not you care is the only thing that changes from person to person. If you care about getting whatever advantage you can out of your race, you'll pick whichever race you think is best (whether that's the best single target dps, mobility, utility, whatever). This has always been true and will always be true so long as there are differences between the races. Stop trying to claim quantifiable differences "don't matter" just because they don't matter to you. This has been argued ad nauseum.

While technically true, it doesn't matter for ~99.9% of the playerbase (numbers pulled out of my ass, it's the internet after all). Even in a world first guild, RNG with trinket procs or crits will do more of a difference than the current difference in racials.

[Xanthan]

While technically true, it doesn't matter for ~99.9% of the playerbase (numbers pulled out of my ass, it's the internet after all). Even in a world first guild, RNG with trinket procs or crits will do more of a difference than the current difference in racials.

Technically true is what the discussion is about. If you had an ideal race, you'd still do more damage than you would have if you didn't, on that given fight given the same trinket proc/crit RNG. This shouldn't even be a debate. The only question that's actually up in the air is whether or not people think the difference is worth it to them to swap for. Some races being better than others is just a fact.

[zephid]

It doesn't matter because the #2/3 races are 49 dps/0.1% lower, #4/5 are 0.2% lower. You also have no chance of screwing up the tauren/dwarf racials, while you could screw up the timing on the troll racial.

That is true, but the troll racial can also give you more dps than what is simulated depending on the fight.

[nyjl]

Every difference "matters". It's just obviously wrong to claim anything else. If it's measurable, it matters. Whether or not you care is the only thing that changes from person to person. If you care about getting whatever advantage you can out of your race, you'll pick whichever race you think is best (whether that's the best single target dps, mobility, utility, whatever). This has always been true and will always be true so long as there are differences between the races. Stop trying to claim quantifiable differences "don't matter" just because they don't matter to you. This has been argued ad nauseum.

Wow, dem wannabe proplayers. It is _not_ measurable. Since DPS difference is so low, the main difference between races now is utility, and you can't measure utility.

There is also a margin of simulation dispersion, even with 100k iterations, which is not far from simulated dps difference.

So, before making stupid absolution claims, learn more 'bout the subject.

upd: you know, this stuff really bugs me. People are so ignorant about min/maxing and yet, suddenly, everybody is "hardcore". You know what else will give you 200 dps difference, or even more? Freaking comfortableness of your chair, amount of alcohol in your blood (if you had a drink 24 hours before the raid - you are not min/maxing). UI ffs, look at your UI, it's almost everytime grossly inefficient. Your mood in the raid can swing you into mistakes that will cost you A LOT more than that stupid 200 dps. So please, please, don's speak of min/maxing, because you don't know shit about it.

[Deleted]

sooo funny how so many think the race matters for them xD

[Ulfric Trumpcloak]

Racials make no difference unless you are going for server 1st in PvE, or for rank 1 in PvP. If you are not doing any of those 2 things then racials are irrelevant to you.

[Deleted]

If you don't care about min-maxing don't post.

It's such a little difference between all racials, that even if you minmax you are most likely not going to see any difference when actually playing.

[Archimtiros]

That is true, but the troll racial can also give you more dps than what is simulated depending on the fight.

Not really. The action list is pretty good, the only way it would give you more is if the fight length deviated juuuuust the right amount to allow you to get an extra use of the ability. In that case, simply change the simulation fight length and it'll give you a good idea of how the races play out, the difference is still minor.

Keep in mind we also simply macro it to Recklessness, making it nearly impossible to "mess up", unless you also mess up Reck, in which case min/maxing racial DPS is probably the least of your worries. Orc is really the only race with a real concern of maximizing racial use, since the cooldown doesn't naturally line up with any of our other abilities. In fact it is the major reason I didn't go Orc.

[Warriorsarri]

If you want to know which race is the best, you may want to look at what all the warriors in the top guilds are going. This far I've seen warriors who are Orcs, Tauren, Blood Elfs, Goblins, Trolls, Worgen, Human and Dwarf. So if you don't trust the sims, at least you should put some faith in the people who will do what it takes when it comes to maximizing your characters potential.

[Krazzorx]

(Pve) Going by class utility, blood elf aoe silence is of course great on some fights. Especially since we don't have disrupting shout anymore.

Since you can no longer use goblin gliders in raids, Goblin Rocket jump is one of the few fall damage protections left in game. And while you rarely need it, it does give a quick movement boost. Mobile banking too is convenient.

Worgen's darkflight is of course, still amazing.

Human trinket has its uses.

Dwarf has its, albeit nerfed, damage reduction CD.