Do you define yourself as a nationalist?

[TheGravemind]

Nationalism is nothing more than a contemporary extension of primitive tribalism that aims to stratify the population of humans on earth into arbitrary political tribes that allow the randomly-selected-for-privilege elite to exploit such stratification into economic exclusivity zones. You have more in common with the average worker in China than the people who fund the lobbyists who control your governments. That is why I am a post-nationalist, and not a nationalist. xz


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postnationalism

[Deleted]

You sure seem to be an islamic nationalist when you've talked about caliphates before.

[TheGravemind]

You sure seem to be an islamic nationalist when you've talked about caliphates before.

nah, it's just that if the ottomans had ruled the world, the move to post-nationalism would have been accelerated by a few hundred years

[Deleted]

Dat edit. I ought to start screenshotting it when you make stupid statements and then change it before one can quote it.

[TheGravemind]

Dat edit. I ought to start screenshotting it when you make stupid statements and then change it before one can quote it.

i edited nothing, just nuanced my language a bit

[Vizardlorde]

I have no nation. I've been dead to my country of origin the moment I got on a plane 10 years ago. And while I'm grateful to the U.S for granting me asylum I don't feel like I belong here.

[Strakha]

I dont think one has a choice on how to define oneself.

[Deleted]

i edited nothing, just nuanced my language a bit

No, you clearly said the world would be at peace if the ottomans ruled the world. You're nothing but an islamic nationalist with that attitude.

[TheGravemind]

No, you clearly said the world would be at peace if the ottomans ruled the world. You're nothing but an islamic nationalist with that attitude.

although that is true, that is not what i said at all

[Deleted]

although that is true, that is not what i said at all

Open your edit history on the post and post the screenshot then.

[Revi]

That depends Gravemind. Define nationalism.

Once you post a definition that you're willing to stick to, I'll answer.

[TheGravemind]

Open your edit history on the post and post the screenshot then.

sure, how do i do that?

[AeneasBK]

Well this discussion has started well...

[TheGravemind]

That depends Gravemind. Define nationalism.

the belief in the exceptionalism of your nation-group

[Revi]

the belief in the exceptionalism of your nation-group

Then no. I would however prioritize my countrymen above others, just like I would prioritize an acquaintance above a stranger.

[Theinquisition]

I'm proud to be an American, for better and for worse.

[Deleted]

the belief in the exceptionalism of your nation-group

Nationalism usually means you cherish the nation, the culture, the history and seek to guard the national state and act in the best interest of the nation.

[Kalis]

nah, it's just that if the ottomans had ruled the world, the move to post-nationalism would have been accelerated by a few hundred years

Nah, the Ottomans were rubbish. The only thing they did that was more successful than any other nation was slavery, they excelled in that.

[Revi]

That comparison doesn't make any sense. Your fellow countrymen are just as much strangers as they would be in any other country unless you have met them...

It wasn't really a comparison, just something to relate it to for clarity.

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Nationalism usually means you cherish the nation, the culture, the history and seek to guard the national state and act in the best interest of the nation.

Yeah, that's what I think when I hear nationalism. I'm this kind of nationalist.

[TheGravemind]

Nah, the Ottomans were rubbish. The only thing they did that was more successful than any other nation was slavery, they excelled in that.

Read the forum rules outlined on the sticky on the first thread on this board and do not derail threads. ty