why the hell...

[Feali]

At first I also thought that combo points were still on the target but then I realized you don't need a target to do premed + snd.


Maybe after all combo points are really on rogue.

But FoK doesn't give a Combo Point.

[Mormolyce]

Yeah I wish they'd show it on the player rather than target, it's not really a big deal though.

At first I also thought that combo points were still on the target but then I realized you don't need a target to do premed + snd.


Maybe after all combo points are really on rogue.

They really are. In my UI I can see CPs building on every target at once. It's just not visible with no target (without addons).

Also CPs don't expire shortly after target death anymore.

[DeleteThisUser]

I use WeakAuras to display mine.

[Mormolyce]

...that's exactly the point Squirl is making directly before your quoted section. It's bizarre and awkward that the one, original basis for the new resources (combo points and its variants - HoPo, Chi, Embers, Shards, SOrbs) retains a mechanic which is unneeded and a bit of a "noob trap." It's not an exciting marker of a good player to figure out which enemies will "vanish" rather than "die" and manage CP around them, when every CP-based-resource class besides rogue/feral does not.

Actually it's a way bigger pain in the ass on my Warlock not knowing if Shadowburn is going to refund the embers because the mob technically didn't "die".

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But FoK doesn't give a Combo Point.

Have you not played since MoP launch?

I actually seem to get 2 CPs per FoK lately, guessing Seal Fate applies to FoK now (or maybe it always did and just procced less or I had less crit, I forget).

[Wondercrab]

Yes, they didn't bother updating default UI. However, addons using UnitPower("player", 4) instead of GetComboPoints() can get around it now and display CP properly without target selected.

EDIT: also, releveant twitter discussion: https://twitter.com/CM_Lore/status/524275872400822273

Argh, I shouldn't have read that Twitter conversation. Stuff like that coming down the line from Blizzard really makes me worry that they've got some serious blind spots in their understanding of game design if they argue that hiding useful information from players because "if you want to see it, you can use an addon" is the right way to make a better game.
It's so basic and so obvious that it just boggles my mind.

[Feali]

Have you not played since MoP launch?

I actually seem to get 2 CPs per FoK lately, guessing Seal Fate applies to FoK now (or maybe it always did and just procced less or I had less crit, I forget).

I mean without a target. I referred to him talking about Premed giving CP without a target.

[Artorius]

FoK giving CPs without targets would be stupidly unbalanced for PVP reasons...

Inb4 run away, fok the air, recuperate, full heath, reset...

[Feali]

FoK giving CPs without targets would be stupidly unbalanced for PVP reasons...

Inb4 run away, fok the air, recuperate, full heath, reset...

Of course. But in terms of consistency? I mean you can do that with Premed. It just takes longer.

[Artorius]

Of course. But in terms of consistency? I mean you can do that with Premed. It just takes longer.

Still a less bad band-aid than combat's haste...

[Kael]

Actually it's a way bigger pain in the ass on my Warlock not knowing if Shadowburn is going to refund the embers because the mob technically didn't "die".

And Soul Drain, yeah, I haven't forgotten. Same stupidity, but at least you're not missing a resource you had a moment ago :P just didn't get the resources you were expecting. Granted, Shards and Embers are/were somewhat larger than individual CP.

[Deleted]

I use WeakAuras to display mine.

yep, since last patch it shows everywhere and anytime how many poinst you have without target, really great. Like monk or paladin.

[ComputerNerd]

The fact that they are on "every target" is completely irrelevant.
The fact that they arent per-target is the point that matters, and therefore a very good argument to have them on the player frame.

Most of the argument from Lore is about the "feel" or "class identity" which are poor arguments when the very fact that they aren't per target any longer significantly impacts on both of those.

They act like a resource on the player, and therefore should be displayed as such IMO.

Addons can do that, but shouldn't be required to do that.

[Deleted]

But FoK doesn't give a Combo Point.

I think it has been fixed because I remember that just after 6.0.2 hit, I was able to generate combo point with FoK without even hitting my target. It still required to have one though.

But like someone said before, being able to FoK far away from your target and get in range + finisher would be far too op.

[Packing an i5]

am i the only one that doesn't want the location of combo points to get moved? ! I like it where it is. I play with the default UI except I move my character plate above the target plate this isnt as comfortable for me on classes with extra resources below or Pets. Been too long I got used to it being on the target.

[Artorius]

I couldn't care less about where the combo points are displayed, problem is the inconsistency of them appearing and disappearing when they're supposed to be "on the rogue".

[Lancer]

I couldn't care less about where the combo points are displayed, who is even using default UI...?

Thousands of people..myself included.

[Artorius]

Thousands of people..myself included.

Yeah, edited the post after I realized that I was exaggerating.

[Deleted]

Plenty of addons that will manage it without really needing to set them up either.