Utterly Confused With Balance

[LegitDave]

I've been reading multiple guides and almost every guide has different rotation, 100 talent, and gear/stat priority.

I've been stressing out learning the new rotation, and trying to find a BiS heroic list, and trying to optimize my stats!? Can anyone shed some light

(I already read the guide that is stickied, but ive read a few others that are different.)

[Deleted]

I've been reading multiple guides and almost every guide has different rotation, 100 talent, and gear/stat priority.

I've been stressing out learning the new rotation, and trying to find a BiS heroic list, and trying to optimize my stats!? Can anyone shed some light

(I already read the guide that is stickied, but ive read a few others that are different.)

Gear, crit, multistrike, mastery, haste

Spam starfire in lunar, moonfire at lunar peak, starsurges on single target, never go above 2 stacks as to not waste proc, starfall on multitarget, stellar flare at middle if you're using that one, wrath in solar, sunfire at peak, hurricane if multitarget.

That is it really, not that complicated :P

[Beyote]

Gear, crit, multistrike, mastery, haste

Spam starfire in lunar, moonfire at lunar peak, starsurges on single target, never go above 2 stacks as to not waste proc, starfall on multitarget, stellar flare at middle if you're using that one, wrath in solar, sunfire at peak, hurricane if multitarget.

That is it really, not that complicated :P

Pls kind Sir if you don't know something don't confuse others. If i am not wrong our best stat is Mastery with Crit right behind it or even almost at the same lvl. So it should be like that:

Mastery>=Crit>Haste>Multistrike>Versatility

As for our rotation there is none tbh, it's a priority list. Lappe put in other topic updated spreadsheet which will show you clearly and nicely at which moment what should you cast (or more like what will do more dps).

Basicly there are 4 different situations for every "eclipse road" (so 8 in total):

When Bar goes from solar to lunar:
-When you have both empowerments
-When you have non empowerments
-When you have only lunar empowerment
-When you have only solar empowerment

And same for when bar goes from lunar to solar:
-When you have both empowerments
-When you have non empowerments
-Whne you have only lunar empowerment
-When you have only solar empowerment

Considering this you just have to check what best to use for you (with your stats) under this situations and just manage them during encounter.
Ofc there is also starfall and starsurge - starsurge (best use this near peak) is for single target (two targets) and starfall is for 3+ targets.

As for dots there is not much dps increase if u cast them during peak or not (or refresh them on every peak, but for sunfire refreshing during peak seems natural especially with euphoria coz of time of the dot itself)

At least for now Euphoria seems to be the best talent choice coz of low stats lvl from gear.

That should be basics rest is always for you to epxeriment and play with. I hope that helps a little bit.

[Deleted]

Our fights atm , heroic dungeons, are very movement heavy.

Thus patchwerk logic does not apply.

Mastery is indeed better than I placed it, my bad.
But crit and haste are very much needed atm, to maximize on starsurges to be used on the move.

This is atleast what is netting me the most DPS in game right now playing with euphoria and trying to squeeze in empowered starfires and wraths whenever I can.

Short story, I find that crit and multistrike, closely followed by mastery is giving the most bang for my buck atm, due to the nature of our fights and the scarsity of haste atm :P

Also you ask me not to confuse, then you write what might be the most confusing explanation I've ever seen of the eclipse bar...

Use solar skills in solar, use lunar skills in lunar, use starsurges as close to peaks as possible.... Win. Yeah you can squeeze in a few extra hundred dps MAYBE, by microing it to fine detail, but he is already confused, one step at a time, which is why I tried to simplify it in my first post :P
I played alot of balance on beta before live hit, so i know what you're refering to, but someone who didnt wouldnt know A from B.

[Juvencus]

Our fights atm , heroic dungeons, are very movement heavy.

Thus patchwerk logic does not apply.

Mastery is indeed better than I placed it, my bad.
But crit and haste are very much needed atm, to maximize on starsurges to be used on the move.

This is atleast what is netting me the most DPS in game right now playing with euphoria and trying to squeeze in empowered starfires and wraths whenever I can.

Short story, I find that crit and multistrike, closely followed by mastery is giving the most bang for my buck atm, due to the nature of our fights and the scarsity of haste atm :P

Also you ask me not to confuse, then you write what might be the most confusing explanation I've ever seen of the eclipse bar...

Use solar skills in solar, use lunar skills in lunar, use starsurges as close to peaks as possible.... Win. Yeah you can squeeze in a few extra hundred dps MAYBE, by microing it to fine detail, but he is already confused, one step at a time, which is why I tried to simplify it in my first post :P
I played alot of balance on beta before live hit, so i know what you're refering to, but someone who didnt wouldnt know A from B.

That might be true if you are running Heroics to do Heroics. Most often people run Heroic to prepare for Raids, so gearing up for 5man situations is going to be pointless.

Considering that the OP wants a dungeon BiS list ( just get what you can - Higher ilvl, Mastery, Warforged, Gemed) I assume he wants to he prepared for the raids.

[Deleted]

Our fights atm , heroic dungeons, are very movement heavy.

Thus patchwerk logic does not apply.

Mastery is indeed better than I placed it, my bad.
But crit and haste are very much needed atm, to maximize on starsurges to be used on the move.

This is atleast what is netting me the most DPS in game right now playing with euphoria and trying to squeeze in empowered starfires and wraths whenever I can.

Short story, I find that crit and multistrike, closely followed by mastery is giving the most bang for my buck atm, due to the nature of our fights and the scarsity of haste atm :P

Also you ask me not to confuse, then you write what might be the most confusing explanation I've ever seen of the eclipse bar...

Use solar skills in solar, use lunar skills in lunar, use starsurges as close to peaks as possible.... Win. Yeah you can squeeze in a few extra hundred dps MAYBE, by microing it to fine detail, but he is already confused, one step at a time, which is why I tried to simplify it in my first post :P
I played alot of balance on beta before live hit, so i know what you're refering to, but someone who didnt wouldnt know A from B.

DoT crits does not proc starsurge anymore. Crit does not give you more starsurges and starsurge is not some kind of instant movement dps, it can be, but shall only be used to buff starfires and wrath.

[Drayarr]

DoT crits does not proc starsurge anymore. Crit does not give you more starsurges and starsurge is not some kind of instant movement dps, it can be, but shall only be used to buff starfires and wrath.

They double the chance to proc it though.

[Beyote]

Our fights atm , heroic dungeons, are very movement heavy.

Thus patchwerk logic does not apply.

Mastery is indeed better than I placed it, my bad.
But crit and haste are very much needed atm, to maximize on starsurges to be used on the move.

This is atleast what is netting me the most DPS in game right now playing with euphoria and trying to squeeze in empowered starfires and wraths whenever I can.

Short story, I find that crit and multistrike, closely followed by mastery is giving the most bang for my buck atm, due to the nature of our fights and the scarsity of haste atm :P

Also you ask me not to confuse, then you write what might be the most confusing explanation I've ever seen of the eclipse bar...

Use solar skills in solar, use lunar skills in lunar, use starsurges as close to peaks as possible.... Win. Yeah you can squeeze in a few extra hundred dps MAYBE, by microing it to fine detail, but he is already confused, one step at a time, which is why I tried to simplify it in my first post :P
I played alot of balance on beta before live hit, so i know what you're refering to, but someone who didnt wouldnt know A from B.

I ask you to not confuse coz what u wrote wasn't true- considering ofc that he wants to raid and not do just heroics/challenges. Also he said he wants to optimize his dps. Not my fault blizzard went all the trouble to really put their logic "easy to learn, hard to master" into balance gameplay. Ofc u can just spam solar spells in solar and lunar spells in lunar but differences i saw even in my dps doing that was not few hundreds but 1-3k in 616ilvl gear so my guess is that it will only increase with better gear.

[Deleted]

They double the chance to proc it though.

Rewrote at work so many times i cant make sense of it myself, brb

[murdax]

Gear, crit, multistrike, mastery, haste

Spam starfire in lunar, moonfire at lunar peak, starsurges on single target, never go above 2 stacks as to not waste proc, starfall on multitarget, stellar flare at middle if you're using that one, wrath in solar, sunfire at peak, hurricane if multitarget.

That is it really, not that complicated :P

I question this very hard when you list mastery so far down and have multistrike as being better. Our spells are casted so slow that we would not gain any benefit from multistrike, not even off star fall...

The proper order is Mastery >= Crit > Haste > Multistrike> Versatility

For AoE Hurricane does such garbage dam its not worth using. Your better off using astral communion to shift to solar use sunfire for AoE DoT and use starfall.

For more information I would recommend reading this guys post http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14731003143

[LegitDave]

Right now I am gearing for the raid release. Is there a haste soft cap or percent I should aim too? My current rotation is this.

Pop Incarnation, starsuge, lunar hit my empowered moon fire starfire until my first solar wrath starsurge dot, repeat. I've been using CA >40 solar or Lunar

[iriecolorado]

Right now I am gearing for the raid release. Is there a haste soft cap or percent I should aim too? My current rotation is this.

Pop Incarnation, starsuge, lunar hit my empowered moon fire starfire until my first solar wrath starsurge dot, repeat. I've been using CA >40 solar or Lunar

There are no haste thresholds any more.

[LegitDave]

So does my rotation at least look right?

[ButterBeast]

gear, crit, multistrike, mastery, haste

spam starfire in lunar, moonfire at lunar peak, starsurges on single target, never go above 2 stacks as to not waste proc, starfall on multitarget, stellar flare at middle if you're using that one, wrath in solar, sunfire at peak, hurricane if multitarget.

That is it really, not that complicated

lol is this guy for real xd

[Beyote]

Right now I am gearing for the raid release. Is there a haste soft cap or percent I should aim too? My current rotation is this.

Pop Incarnation, starsuge, lunar hit my empowered moon fire starfire until my first solar wrath starsurge dot, repeat. I've been using CA >40 solar or Lunar

You should use CA only in lunar, reason behind this is that when u pop it in lunar youl will get starfire empowerments (of as tooltip for CA says you will gain benefit from both eclipses but empowerments are still eclipsce dependent even under CA) and starfire do more dmg that wrath.

As for rotation like i said u have to check your transition points (when to change casting starfire to wrath and vice versa)

[mythiix]

For opening rotations and gearing I'm doing this...
Inc, Nature's Vigil, Solar Beam, CA, Moonfire, Starsurge, Starfire x2, Starsurge, Starfire x2, ( if hero is used I am able to get another set of Starsurge and Starfire x2 in), Moonfire. If hero isn't active you should have 1 Starsurge left which is used right before the upcoming lunar peak.

For gearing I'm using the highest ilvl stuff i have unless the stats on it are just absolute garbage but then it goes Mastery>Haste>Crit>Multistrike>Versatility.

[Deleted]

For opening rotations and gearing I'm doing this...
Inc, Nature's Vigil, Solar Beam, CA, Moonfire, Starsurge, Starfire x2, Starsurge, Starfire x2, ( if hero is used I am able to get another set of Starsurge and Starfire x2 in), Moonfire. If hero isn't active you should have 1 Starsurge left which is used right before the upcoming lunar peak.

For gearing I'm using the highest ilvl stuff i have unless the stats on it are just absolute garbage but then it goes Mastery>Haste>Crit>Multistrike>Versatility.

Why the hell would you use Nature's Vigil and Solar Beam in the start. Save them for when you need them.

[Deleted]

But...but...dat silence?

[Deleted]

Well in MoP you used it in your opener to proc your trinkets.
Don't know if this still work.

[Beyote]

Well in MoP you used it in your opener to proc your trinkets.
Don't know if this still work.

Trinkets were proccing at start regardless of using Solar Beam and Nature's Vigil (besides there was no reason to take NV - maybe only fo Nazgrim - in the fisrt place in the last patch of MoP.)

For opening rotations and gearing I'm doing this...
Inc, Nature's Vigil, Solar Beam, CA, Moonfire, Starsurge, Starfire x2, Starsurge, Starfire x2, ( if hero is used I am able to get another set of Starsurge and Starfire x2 in), Moonfire. If hero isn't active you should have 1 Starsurge left which is used right before the upcoming lunar peak.

For gearing I'm using the highest ilvl stuff i have unless the stats on it are just absolute garbage but then it goes Mastery>Haste>Crit>Multistrike>Versatility.

I will still strongly recommend that order (which i posted earlier):

Mastery>=Crit>Haste>Multistrike>Versatility