Obamacare offers firms $3,000 incentive to hire illegals over native-born workers

[Vyxn]

Under the president’s new amnesty, businesses will have a $3,000-per-employee incentive to hire illegal immigrants over native-born workers because of a quirk of Obamacare.

President Obama’s temporary amnesty, which lasts three years, declares up to 5 million illegal immigrants to be lawfully in the country and eligible for work permits, but it still deems them ineligible for public benefits such as buying insurance on Obamacare’s health exchanges

Under the Affordable Care Act, that means businesses who hire them won’t have to pay a penalty for not providing them health coverage — making them $3,000 more attractive than a similar native-born worker, whom the business by law would have to cover

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz3KD6sFh4X



just another reason why this train wreck needs to be repealed and replaced, or do any of you have a better idea how to fix this serious problem? either drop the 3000 dollar fine all together or have business pay the fine even for the non citizens they hire? or do you even think it is a problem?

[Activi-T]

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...ty-and-the-ACA thread already.

[poser765]

IMPEACH OBAMA IMPEACH OBAMA!!!!

Am I doing this right?

[Crissi]

Can we not throw the baby out with the bathwater?

"We dont like A,B, C and F provisions! Lets repeal A-Z!"

[Vyxn]

Can we not throw the baby out with the bathwater?

"We dont like A,B, C and F provisions! Lets repeal A-Z!"

so what is your solution? there is so much wrong in the law your better off scrapping the whole dam thing and start over and maybe this time listen and give the public what it wants because they sure in the hell don't want Obama care

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Basically they complain that the ex illegals are too cheap? While they were not too cheap before that?

[lockedout]

Can we not throw the baby out with the bathwater?

What's that got to do with the price of tea in India?

[cubby]

Under the president’s new amnesty, businesses will have a $3,000-per-employee incentive to hire illegal immigrants over native-born workers because of a quirk of Obamacare.

President Obama’s temporary amnesty, which lasts three years, declares up to 5 million illegal immigrants to be lawfully in the country and eligible for work permits, but it still deems them ineligible for public benefits such as buying insurance on Obamacare’s health exchanges

Under the Affordable Care Act, that means businesses who hire them won’t have to pay a penalty for not providing them health coverage — making them $3,000 more attractive than a similar native-born worker, whom the business by law would have to cover

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz3KD6sFh4X



just another reason why this train wreck needs to be repealed and replaced, or do any of you have a better idea how to fix this serious problem? either drop the 3000 dollar fine all together or have business pay the fine even for the non citizens they hire? or do you even think it is a problem?

Your phrasing of this is basically a lie. You're lying - great job!

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What's that got to do with the price of tea in India?

It's called an analogy. He means not throwing out the important parts while we fix the lesser stuff.

[Vyxn]

Your phrasing of this is basically a lie. You're lying - great job!

so explain where did I go wrong? what phrasing is a lie? Im more then willing to debate this with you but you need to give me something to debate over

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The businesses that already hired illegals will continue to do so, because cheap labor will still be cheap. The businesses that require technical or professional skills will continue to hire natives/people with degrees, because illegals don't have the necessary skillsets and a 3k incentive won't change that.

So...nothing has changed. But hey, keep screaming about the black guy in the White House that Fox News told you to hate, because that veneer isn't wearing thin AT ALL.

all I hear is living wage, living rage, but the same people that are screaming about living wage is the same people that intact policies that drives wages down

[Keyboard Champion]

Man, when are those illegal brits going back to UK?
-native americans-

[Endus]

so what is your solution? there is so much wrong in the law your better off scrapping the whole dam thing and start over and maybe this time listen and give the public what it wants because they sure in the hell don't want Obama care

There's very little "wrong with the law". You personally don't like it, but that's pretty darned fundamentally irrelevant.

This particular thing might be a loophole, but it's one that would be easy to address, if desired. Saying we should get rid of the ACA over this issue is like saying a fly hit your windshield so you may as well drive your car off a cliff and get a new one.

[cubby]

so explain where did I go wrong? what phrasing is a lie? Im more then willing to debate this with you but you need to give me something to debate over

You read the article, right? You know that the loophole was unintentional, and had nothing to do with either amnesty or a desire for businesses to jump in and hire illegal workers, right? But you just keep jumping off intellectual cliffs because you personally don't like something.

What's worse, you know what you're doing, making it equivalent to intellectual dishonesty and bordering on outright lying.

[Vyxn]

There's very little "wrong with the law". You personally don't like it, but that's pretty darned fundamentally irrelevant.

This particular thing might be a loophole, but it's one that would be easy to address, if desired. Saying we should get rid of the ACA over this issue is like saying a fly hit your windshield so you may as well drive your car off a cliff and get a new one.

and do you think this is the only issue? issues keep popping up every week from the day this train wreck was crammed down the American publics throat, and do you think Im the only one that has a major problem with the law I hate to inform you Im in the vast majority it is you sir that is in the minority. Its time you step out side you little liberal bubble and take a look around

[Symphonic]

I'd like to see any reputable company actually hire someone who speaks no English (or, hardly any english) for a job that any native-born US citizen has. This only benefits the workers at businesses who were previously being paid under the table.

I dislike Obama a lot, but this doesn't really bother me, as it really won't affect anything.

[Vyxn]

You read the article, right? You know that the loophole was unintentional, and had nothing to do with either amnesty or a desire for businesses to jump in and hire illegal workers, right? But you just keep jumping off intellectual cliffs because you personally don't like something.

What's worse, you know what you're doing, making it equivalent to intellectual dishonesty and bordering on outright lying.

so can you please point out where I said or even suggested it was intentional
incompetents more then likely intentional probably not

[Gwiez]

Congress shouldn't have been wasting their time doing nothing for the past 4-6 years then. Bush II had comprehensive immigration reform on his agenda, but his own party balked. It turns out they like scapegoating brown people too much.

Yes, I do have a way to fix the problem of businesses seeing an incentive to not pay for health insurance for their employees (which is as close to reality as I can figure from the propaganda you're regurgitating). Get health insurance out of the hands of employers. Make health care single payer.

[Vyxn]

I'd like to see any reputable company actually hire someone who speaks no English (or, hardly any english) for a job that any native-born US citizen has. This only benefits the workers at businesses who were previously being paid under the table.

I dislike Obama a lot, but this doesn't really bother me, as it really won't affect anything.

I happened to do AutoCAD for a construction company for over 10 years and yes crews of illegal aliens was sub contracted as a normal business practice in construction and all that was required is the crew leader to be legal and could speak English It was all perfectly legal for the construction contractor because they wasn't hiring the crew work was subcontracted there for they wasn't responsible for who or what was in that subcontracted crew

[Revi]

I'm going to assume this isn't true... And if it is, something will happen to stop it being exploited.

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so can you please point out where I said or even suggested it was intentional
incompetents more then likely intentional probably not

You said offer, that implies intention.

[Bakis]

I'm going to assume this isn't true... And if it is, something will happen to stop it being exploited.

Its a Vyxn thread so it is guaranteed to be either entirely false or entirely deliberately twisted into something it is not.

[Vyxn]

There's very little "wrong with the law". You personally don't like it, but that's pretty darned fundamentally irrelevant.

This particular thing might be a loophole, but it's one that would be easy to address, if desired. Saying we should get rid of the ACA over this issue is like saying a fly hit your windshield so you may as well drive your car off a cliff and get a new one.

nothing wrong with the law just that they had to lie, deceive, and omit truths to get it passed. Grubber can tell you all about it how the American pubic was just to dam stupid to realize what they was doing

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Its a Vyxn thread so it is guaranteed to be either entirely false or entirely deliberately twisted into something it is not.

so explain what is false and twisted debate me instead just make unfounded generalized statements with no substance