[6.0 Guide] Gladiator - More Furious than Fury

[Cityfella]

Gj archi and others!

[Bizerk]

Should you delay bloodbath for scabbard of kyanos?

[Strafir]

With trinkets working like they do, I really can't agree with the opener still. The beauty of protection abilities is that nothing really has a very long cooldown so your "rotation" essentially restarts from scratch very frequently, so you can modify your opener to fit as well as possible. Because shield charge isn't a permanent buff you will eventually run out of it and with 20 second lasting proc trinkets it simply doesn't sound like a good idea to start pissing them away as soon as you reach melee range.

Why not charge in, shield slam and devastate three times or until your shield slam resets to give your trinkets a fighting chance to proc and pick up a few stacks of US before shield charging? Especially if you have a Scabbard, so much of your bonus damage comes from squeezing as much firepower into Bloodbath as possible so it just makes more sense, in my mind atleast, to hold off for a few globals and then go completely ham.

[Deleted]

Scabbard and Bone Toe are On-use items. Press them while charging and you have no problems.

[Warriorsarri]

Should you delay bloodbath for scabbard of kyanos?

Other way around, delay SoK for BB.

[Archimtiros]

With trinkets working like they do, I really can't agree with the opener still. The beauty of protection abilities is that nothing really has a very long cooldown so your "rotation" essentially restarts from scratch very frequently, so you can modify your opener to fit as well as possible. Because shield charge isn't a permanent buff you will eventually run out of it and with 20 second lasting proc trinkets it simply doesn't sound like a good idea to start pissing them away as soon as you reach melee range.

Why not charge in, shield slam and devastate three times or until your shield slam resets to give your trinkets a fighting chance to proc and pick up a few stacks of US before shield charging? Especially if you have a Scabbard, so much of your bonus damage comes from squeezing as much firepower into Bloodbath as possible so it just makes more sense, in my mind atleast, to hold off for a few globals and then go completely ham.

If you have proc trinkets instead of on use, you can delay the opener, but you don't want to delay it by much, remember that your pot is still rolling. If your procs start immediately then there really is no reason to delay. Getting one more Heroic Strike during the first shield charge isn't going to influence your damage much at all and could just as easily cause you to lose an HS due to low stacks during the second (though that should be fairly rare and mitigatable if you watch your rage).

[Malabs]

Would there be a downside to macro-ing Shield Slam to Shield Charge? So that every time I use Shield Charge, I cast Shield Slam at the same time? If no downside, can you help with a possible macro for that, or any other useful ones?

[Deleted]

So guys u think crit over haste?

Now i got 638il with 12,17 crit 4% haste 357 ab and 23,36% mastery, what do u think i have to change something ?

[Deleted]

Would there be a downside to macro-ing Shield Slam to Shield Charge? So that every time I use Shield Charge, I cast Shield Slam at the same time? If no downside, can you help with a possible macro for that, or any other useful ones?

The only downside to this that I can think of is when there's movement on the boss you may not be exactly in melee range and when you hit the macro u will charge but not use shield slam, and if you make it a habit to use the macro you may not realize that you didn't actually shield slam. Other being using it while you're on global cooldown comes off the same scenario, you will not cast shield slam but you will use charge since it's off the gcd.

Macro would be straight off typing them since one is off the gcd it will cast them at the same time such as.
#show
/cast Shield Charge
/cast Shield Slam


OT: Great guide Archi, any chance you could let us know what trinkets you're going to be using heading into the first raiding week? Or a trinket ranking of some sort would be really nice to see. I have the inscription trinket but I have no idea if it's going to be worth using for glad or not.

[Deleted]

Very nice guide, thanks for writing this!

How bad is the DPS loss from using HR instead of US? US is wrecking my fingers I can't stand using it anymore.

yeh same playing glad is putting strain on my fingers xD

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Ok actually decided to get glad going seen as i accidently had my loot spec set to prot when doing an invasion and got a 645 one hander. Pulling a consistant 18k on the dummy unbuffed, with no pot or flask( simmed myself at 21k), not sure if thats about right or not but I've still got a bit of perfecting to do with the rotation. Main problem I am having tho is how spammy im finding glad xD

[Deleted]

yeh same playing glad is putting strain on my fingers xD

Happy im not alone in this, kinda feels like playing prot/arms towards the end of DS.
Slowly trying to convince myself the dps isn't worth hurting my fingers/wrist.

How big is the difference btw ?

[Deleted]

Best pre-raid trinkets you can equip? as already being said there are plenty of them out there + the WF procs and Sockets u can get, it really becomes a mess! not counting scabbard though!

Great guide, Archim!

[Deleted]

So, does anyone know if +armor proc trinkets like Evergaze Arcane Eidolon actually count as bonus armor or not?

[Akay]

Best pre-raid trinkets you can equip? as already being said there are plenty of them out there + the WF procs and Sockets u can get, it really becomes a mess! not counting scabbard though!

Great guide, Archim!

Ive been sim'n this for the past few hours and watching the games today.. Skull of War and Knight's badge are top together.

[Warriorsarri]

SoK + SoW is the current BiS setup Pre-Raid.

[Deleted]

Happy im not alone in this, kinda feels like playing prot/arms towards the end of DS.
Slowly trying to convince myself the dps isn't worth hurting my fingers/wrist.

How big is the difference btw ?

The difference in dps is fair, i think glad was simmed at 20k singletarget while arms is 18k.

[Deleted]

The difference in dps is fair, i think glad was simmed at 20k singletarget while arms is 18k.

Sorry I wasn't that clear. I meant between US and HR

[Qck]

Other way around, delay SoK for BB.

Are you 100% on this? Over not delaying either and just using on CD? Would like to see the SimC comparison if it's been done so I can check the APL.

[kamikaeo]

SoK + SoW is the current BiS setup Pre-Raid.

What about once Highmaul and Blackrock opens up?

[ulrich]

SoK + SoW is the current BiS setup Pre-Raid.

What trinket is SoK?