Are raids going to have the option for personal loot?

[AdrianCC100]

I know LFR has personal loot.. But will guild runs have the option to use personal loot?

[Deleted]

Yes but why would you want to as a guild?

[Deleted]

Yes but why would you want to as a guild?

Because on personal loot more loot drops

[Isheria]

Tell that to the unlucky person in your guild who will never see loot he actually needs for 2-3 weeks straight if not more.

[Chaosturn]

Because on personal loot more loot drops

Most likely equal drop rates statistically, and you can't prioritize loot to the players who benefit your group the most, like tanks early on and then strong dps. The less random the better.

[Tradu]

Tell that to the unlucky person in your guild who will never see loot he actually needs for 2-3 weeks straight if not more.

Yeah... From experience, I can say that SoO didn't have any agility weapons on the loot table above Flex difficulty until maybe June this year, and I'm sure lots of casters can confirm that Purified Bindings of Immerseus are merely a myth and were never put into the game.

[Deleted]

But does it apply to non-lfr raids? Also, aren't you unable to trade gear awarded by personal loot?

Yeah you can set it to normal/heroic raids (could in soo atleasT)

Most likely equal drop rates statistically, and you can't prioritize loot to the players who benefit your group the most, like tanks early on and then strong dps. The less random the better.

Well in soo when i tried this out instead of getting 3 items per boss we netted around 5 items pr boss

indeed you can not prio it but overal you will (unless they nerfed it) get more loot




Also i would like to add, that my personal opinion lies with ... first 1-2 lockouts personal after that go back to them old ways

[Tradu]

Yeah you can set it to normal/heroic raids (could in soo atleasT)



Well in soo when i tried this out instead of getting 3 items per boss we netted around 5 items pr boss

indeed you can not prio it but overal you will (unless they nerfed it) get more loot




Also i would like to add, that my personal opinion lies with ... first 1-2 lockouts personal after that go back to them old ways

That does seem like the most reasonable thing, assuming personal does actually give more loot overall.

[Deleted]

People shouldn't cry about loot. Everyone eventually gets his piece. And what is wrong with 3 weeks without that 1 upgrade you really want? ... took me 4 months of BT farming for my tanking shield from Illidan back in TBC and i didn't cry.
Spoiled kids today believe that gear shows person skill... those 2% in stats increase won't make you better player

i'm still supporter of group loot. Personal loot is ok but maybe it should be left out from any kind of raid except LFG/LFR

[Deleted]

getting more loot doesn't mean you get more usefull loot tho, even if its true that you get more loot.

it's not just about prioritizing, its about being able to trade loot. let's assume a boss drops 5 items on group loot for 25 people, chances are there will be 4 or 5 people who can use the loot and not much will be sharded/vendored. If a boss drops 6-7 items for 25 people on personal you can only hope it's a upgrade for all of them, chances are some may already have a item for that slot, or the item is merely a sidegrade or even has useless stats (ive gotten lots of useless loot from CM daily for example).

People shouldn't cry about loot. Everyone eventually gets his piece.

yeah but eventually is a lot longer with personal loot then group loot. there is like 5x higher chance that your item will drop on group loot, then on personal loot, simply because 5x as many items that can be given to you drop. and even if you do not get the item, the dropchance will still be 5x higher next time, but competition will now be lower.

i strongly believe that statistically a group of 10-30 people will gear up faster on average with group loot then with personal loot.

[Deja Thoris]

Tbh, if I was a competitive raidguild I'd prefer personal loot too. These lootsystems of DKP and EGPG are complete shite and unnecessary now.

Although I guess the main remaining benefit of using DKP systems instead of personal loot is that you can get your core geared up faster while funneling loot away from trials and newbies you're not sure of yet.

Yeah so when a character gets the same item twice in 2 weeks he can't trade it with his lower item level team member. No competitive raid guild will use it because of the loss of control. It just won't happen.

[Deleted]

That does seem like the most reasonable thing, assuming personal does actually give more loot overall.

My thoughts exactly

[Herecius]

This feeling of 'less control' might just be an illusion.

No, no, it's definitely not an illusion. The control of being able to distribute loot and not have it so one person gets the exact same piece over and over again is definitely real.

[RoKPaNda]

Personal loot is strictly better unless you're in a guild that's cliquey and likes to prioritize loot to members of the clique that the raid leader is in.

[daenerys]

With personal loot, you'll have someone getting the same trinket of super awesomeness three times, with a couple other people never getting it. With distributed loot, you can actually distribute the second and third trinket of super awesomeness to people who need it instead of having the same person get it 3 times, and vendoring it.

Personal loot may be fine early in raiding, when everything is an upgrade. But when you have 3/4 of your gear from the raid content, you'll find it near impossible to get your last 2-3 pieces, and at the same time you'll see your friends de/vendor those pieces 6-7 times before you get your own. And how does this benefit anyone?

[Deleted]

oh and let's not forget catch-up either.

with group loot you can get a new recruit up to your guilds gear standards in a week or two by just piling loot on the new char. not possible with personal loot and now you have one person who cant compete gear wise on progress fights.

[Herecius]

Personal loot is strictly better unless you're in a guild that's cliquey and likes to prioritize loot to members of the clique that the raid leader is in.

Or if you want to prioritize loot to the places that it most benefits the raid's progression.

Sorry, personal loot may work well for the first couple weeks (maybe), but after that, and especially when doing Mythic, the control that putting loot in proper places gives is too valuable.

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The difference is that someone getting the same loot twice in the personal lootsystem has completely no bearing on the lootchances of others in the raid.

So yeah, an illusion, it is wrong to think your raid somehow received less loot because someone got the same piece twice.

And if your raid has awful luck, you may get no loot at all from a boss. That sounds terrible to me.

[Orange Joe]

Tell that to the unlucky person in your guild who will never see loot he actually needs for 2-3 weeks straight if not more.

Thats it? I've gone longer than that with rolling for loot.

[daenerys]

The difference is that someone getting the same loot twice in the personal lootsystem has completely no bearing on the lootchances of others in the raid.

So yeah, an illusion, it is wrong to think your raid somehow received less loot because someone got the same piece twice.

Monte Carlo fallacy, actually.

But with a distributed loot system, your odds of getting an item you want increase as others get it. With personal loot your odds are always the same.

If a boss drops 5 items and you can distribute them, you can make sure that they don't go to people that already have the same item. With personal loot, after a couple months of raiding, you will find that 3/4 of the drops are duplicates of things people already have. After a couple months of raiding with personal loot you'll get maybe 20% of the upgrades that a guild with distributed loot will get, due to people getting duplicates, and you being unable to give it to the people who could use it.

[Leih]

We're going to use personal loot in the first week because everyone needs everything so gear won't be wasted no matter who gets it. And since we have like 14 bijillion casters in our roster, it's more likely to give us useful caster loot from every boss and not keep giving us melee weapons and mail we have to shard.

After the first week or so though we will switch to group loot because personal loot becomes worthless as soon as you need to pick and choose which items you want from which bosses. At that point, it's better to have the option to trade the items around.