Spellsteal and Mana. Are we expected to wand again?

[Polarthief]

Title pretty much says it all. When you're in a dungeon and you have to spellsteal every 10-15s, the fuck are you supposed to do? Seems to me like it's yet another "oversight" that Blizzard has chosen to ignore like plenty of our other problems.

Someone please tell me I'm not alone in this. It's terrible trying to keep buffs off of a boss just to go oom and be unable to continue DPSing.

[ralphie]

Tell your group to help with the dispels.

[Earthbound]

....don't spam Spellsteal?

[aLCuiN]

I think this is never gonna any solution :S

[Duroth22]

Title pretty much says it all. When you're in a dungeon and you have to spellsteal every 10-15s, the fuck are you supposed to do? Seems to me like it's yet another "oversight" that Blizzard has chosen to ignore like plenty of our other problems.

Someone please tell me I'm not alone in this. It's terrible trying to keep buffs off of a boss just to go oom and be unable to continue DPSing.

This is a known issue, but I think you're over exaggerating a bit. For fights like the second boss of UBRS (Maloriak looking dude), we're totally fine to Spellsteal every so often. 3 in a row will run you out of mana, but if they're spread apart like that you should be fine. (Unlike the trash before the first boss of Auchindoun putting Void Shell on all the mobs) that will dry you for mana.

[Imnick]

Wait 1 and a half seconds until you have 1% mana, continue your DPS rotation
Your DPS rotation as Fire and Frost is mana positive and barely requires even a drip in the tank to get going

It's almost only spellsteal that actually costs anything

[ShmooDude]

The new design is that DPS hybrids spend mana on utility/healing style abilities, which spell steal is. Afaik, your DPS abilities should be cheap enough that you can maintain them even when "empty" on mana.

[Acidbaron]

On what dungeon do you have to do that?

I've done it on all the fights i could and haven't had mana issues. Not in UBRS and not in Slagmines, Yet to run Auchindoun CM so maybe that there will be the first time i run into an issue but those two nope.

[Forgettable]

The only dungeon where I've had to spam spellsteal is on the trash before the 1st boss in Auchidoun, and that's only if you don't stun and burst down the shielder. Hardly a gamebreakingly pressing issue.

[Polarthief]

Before I reply to you guys, I'd like to give an example: 2nd boss/trash in UBRS. (Also Shazzrah's buff in Molten Core LFR [because out of 40 people, I seem to be the only one dispelling])

Tell your group to help with the dispels.

I'll get right on that when my comp (or retards not dispelling, because randoms suck) has no other way to do so.

....don't spam Spellsteal?

I don't. When the boss gets a buff every 10s and you need to dispel it, and SS takes 22% mana... ... Yeah... We don't really have the Haste to regen that quickly.

Wait 1 and a half seconds until you have 1% mana, continue your DPS rotation
Your DPS rotation as Fire and Frost is mana positive and barely requires even a drip in the tank to get going

It's almost only spellsteal that actually costs anything

It's more like 3ish globals at my very low Haste levels (1.39% unbuffed). Not casting for 3 globals, then being expected to Spellsteal again is pretty bad.

The new design is that DPS hybrids spend mana on utility/healing style abilities, which spell steal is. Afaik, your DPS abilities should be cheap enough that you can maintain them even when "empty" on mana.

Hits-Like-A-Noodlebolt takes 6.4k mana, which at my Haste, takes about 3ish globals to regen back from 0%.

[Deleted]

This is not problem of Spellsteal cost too much. Molten core sucks. Not the instance but 30 out of 39 people you are in with (unless guild premade :-)). Only problem with mana i had, was bubble trash in Auchi before first boss and Slagmines last boss to spellsteal for dmg, but many guys in random kick and i just steal what they miss.

A lot of class have dispell, its not just about as mages to dispel all magic effect on boss.

[Deleted]

I think the issue is with Arcane Mages more than the rest. Because no Arcane Mage EVER is going to spell steal. EVER!

[durrtygoodz]

Done all 8 cms on gold and have never been oom from spell stealing yet :S

[ablib]

It has a high mana cost due to PvP. They just need to fix it so that it's fine for PvE, but keeps it's high cost for PvP.

Yes, it's too high, and I've gone close to OOM in the expac so far.

They did the same lack of thought at the beginning of Cata with interrupts. After Wrath, no one knew how to interrupt. People starting going crazy because their interrupts were missing, because they didn't have enough hit (yet). Abilities like that boss had in Throne of Tides would wipe the tank out if it wasn't kicked. It wasn't long after that they changed it so that interrupts ignore hit rating, and always interrupt.

Same thing in WoD. Tons of stuff to dispel, and the only one competent enough to do it, it comes at a great cost. Especially for Arcane.

[aycheff]

2nd boss/trash to 2nd boss is UBRS doesn't require you to spell steal every 10 seconds... a bit more often on the boss (if you're the only one doing it) since it's alive much longer, but the trash should be dead before it can cast another (maybe a few more cast on CM but again you don't have to be the only one dispelling).

I don't know what else you're mass dispelling? Are we really counting MC content? Everbloom 2nd boss only puts up Tide every so often and is usually nuked down and other boss cast the bark not too often (again other can dispel too). Slag mages I guess buff each other... but still should die fast enough were you only need to dispel once, I think the cast can even be interupted/stunned. Last boss slag you can interrupt the boss.. but if you spell still u get the buff/stacking effect at 3. Not much point is spellstealing void shell from the mobs in auch, nuke down the caster or whatever.. shell breaks pretty fast.

I think that's all I've ever noticed having to dispell... I've never never been oom from spell stealing (unless it would be deliberate)

[Mormolyce]

How did I know this was about Kyrak? LOL.

It honestly feels like there aren't enough cleanse effects in the game.

Also it's kind of silly that spellsteal is punitive on mana.

[Sosoulsu]

As Frost (which is the only Mage spec you should be playing right now), I've never gone close to OOM while spellstealing things that need to be removed from mobs.
Get good?

[LocNess]

It is expensive, but I haven't had too many major issues so far, even in CMs for the few I have done. Just make it known to your group you can't be expected to spam it.

[Polarthief]

As Frost (which is the only Mage spec you should be playing right now), I've never gone close to OOM while spellstealing things that need to be removed from mobs.
Get good?

Also playing Frost, and I appreciate the insult for an issue that's here but whatever. Don't exactly know how to "get good" at a mechanic that I can't really control. Guess I'll let Kyrak heal to full.

[Charge me Doctor]

Fuck anyone who says "mage should spellsteal this, he doesn't need mana lol" instead of dispelling.

I thought that it was a good idea to spellsteal molten core as soon as boss gets it (we decided to not interrupt his spell attack), i run oom after 4 dispels. Fuck.

Every time i'm asked to spellsteal something, i tell that i will dispel at least once per 30 seconds and only if the buff somehow improves my damage, allowing me to stand in crap, or increases my damage