UHDK vs FDK

[Nofo]

the great battle of DK has come for me jus hit 100 seems frost is superior atm im not really forsure how unholy is at this time anyone mind shedding some light on this?

[Grakey]

Unholy is better than frost currently, if you want more details, there are numerous threads on the topic

[Nofo]

awesome thanks i was just looking for general details not really forsure how i feel about rolling a DK ive been a warrior so long... they seem very effective in rbgs which is the most important thing to me

[Stagedive]

RBGs kind of flip the script on what's most effective (frost vs. unholy)

[Nofo]

is therea reason? or is it just obvious damage difference because i run alto of dot cleave

[Catforum]

Frost is great if you often nap while playing
Make use of all that downtime

[Nofo]

lol /10chars

[Saverem]

I enjoy playing UH more. The rotation is a lot more intuitive and more fun than Frost.

As for actual PvE damage, I think DW Frost is still #1.

[Eklypto]

I enjoy playing UH more. The rotation is a lot more intuitive and more fun than Frost.

As for actual PvE damage, I think DW Frost is still #1.

Right now SIMs at all current gear levels show Unholy ahead of both 2HF and DWF.

http://sonofalich.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=52

[Emophia]

Unholy aoe just seems so much better than frost that isn't not really fair.

[Paleaura]

I enjoy playing UH more. The rotation is a lot more intuitive and more fun than Frost.

As for actual PvE damage, I think DW Frost is still #1.

Yeah, Im not sure where you got this from, because its not the case. UH has stronger ST, and AoE.

[Shieldd]

Frost is much stronger for general PvP, at least for RBGs.

Unholy is good for pressure as always, but burst damage is always key to truly winning unless you're using an out of norm group comp.

[Deleted]

RBGs kind of flip the script on what's most effective (frost vs. unholy)

This. I would say it comes down to playerstyle and or gear if we are talking frost dw.

[Nofo]

i ask because you know trying to feel the dk slot good to know UHDK is still good for my dot cleaves and good to know i can bring a frost if i cant find a UHDK

[Deleted]

Frost flies the kite too much, you're just an arms warrior that doesn't suck, however you still have very low mobility.

[Nofo]

ive been playing holy paladin since season started not a FOTM change but more of i missed my first toon

[Deleted]

i've decided to skip raiding this expansion and go all out pvp

so i've decided to go with my dk

i currently run unholy but i still don't know what is best for pvp atm..

been playing around with unholy and it seems pretty sweet
no weps currently to test out frost

[Kraeth]

UH is just better in almost all aspects. Better ST, better aoe. For PvP, great pressure & sustained burst, better survivability. Frost does have better burst, but in general UH is just stronger in my opinion.

[Zarios]

Frost is much stronger for general PvP, at least for RBGs.

Unholy is good for pressure as always, but burst damage is always key to truly winning unless you're using an out of norm group comp.

Wat. Seriously, what? You think burst is what wins PVP? I hope you mean Random Battlegrouns, not Rated. Unholy is ran in RBGS because the share amount of AOE damage and survivability it has. I'm not saying that Frost is bad, but unholy beats frost in terms of aoe damage which is extremely important in RBGS. As for Arena, unholy is slower killing yes, but it's overall more damage. While it may be easy to run a comp to 2k using a generic cleave comp that focuses on one target the entire run, it won't get you much further without having longer games. Unholy provides a pet stun, better dots, better peeling, overall more pressure when it comes to Arena. Frost is good when you're running a comp when you tunnel. If you ever watch higher up streams, you'll notice they don't kill people in a matter of 30-45 seconds (which is what a burst comp relies on, hell even Vanguardz comp can't do this now)

PHD, TSG, and Shadowcleave are out of the norm. Ok.

[karolak]

All simulations show unholy is better but how accurate those are I'm not sure about.