Here’s comprehensive results on my explorations for dps dks in Simulationcraft. Note that SimC is still in the workings and bugs may exist and what not. Small tl;dr section below, but mostly going in depth on things.
I will be updating this thread constantly with new finds/re-running of sims. If there’s anything you would like simmed/modeled please give a detailed explanation of what you’re looking for. If I’ve already done it I will most likely ignore it. Also if there’s any errors please let me know. Thanks!
I strongly suggest simming yourself for more info on specific analysis of your toon
Table of Contents:
Abbreviations
TL;DR
Stat Priority/Weight analysis
Multi-target sustained analysis
- Mythic sustained ST analysis
- Mythic burst ST analysis
- Mythic sustained AoE analysis
- Mythic burst AoE analysis
Analysis on burst for 5 targets
Race analysis for three specs
Gear analysis
2h Frost BiS for each difficulty
Unholy BiS for each difficulty
- 2h frost @ mythic
- 2h frost @ Heroic
- 2h frost @ Normal
- 2h frost @ Pre-raid
- 2h frost Highmaul
- Top 40 2h frost @ mythic
- Top 40 2h frost @ Heroic
- Top 40 2h frost @ Normal
- Top 40 2h frost @ Pre-raid
- Top 40 2h frost Highmaul
DW BiS for each difficulty
- Unholy @ mythic
- Unholy @ Heroic
- Unholy @ Normal
- Unholy @ Pre-raid
- Unholy Highmaul
- Top 40 Unholy @ mythic
- Top 40 Unholy @ Heroic
- Top 40 Unholy @ Normal
- Top 40 Unholy @ Pre-raid
- Top 40 Unholy Highmaul
Updated Trinket list for each spec
- dw @ mythic
- dw @ Heroic
- dw @ Normal
- dw @ Pre-raid
- dw Highmaul
- Top 40 dw @ mythic
- Top 40 dw @ Heroic
- Top 40 dw @ Normal
- Top 40 dw @ Pre-raid
- Top 40 dw Highmaul
Extra info
- Unholy from pre-raid
- Unholy in Mythic gear
- 2h frost from pre-raid
- 2h frost in Mythic gear
- dw frost from pre-raid
- dw frost in Mythic gear
You can find all my profiles
To Do List
READ BELOW BEFORE GOING ON. I WILL NOT BE REPLYING TO THINGS ANSWERED HERE.
- There are duplicates in the profiles
- My APL's are the same as SimC's, I've updated the SimC ones to reflect a comprehensive list.
- There are warnings above each of the profiles about ‘use_item’, but that was implemented to ensure that trinkets would be used.
- One of the 2h frost profiles is labeled with RI and it isn’t using RI, this profile should not be in the list and I’m unsure as to why it pops up after I’ve checked all my profiles. So ignore this profile.
- The race profile labeled as BiS is of the race Orc.
- WF/Gem slots change things drastically so make sure you sim that on your own once you get those.
- I initially started out simming what I thought was/would be BiS for the spec and then shifted the profile a little until it was apparent what would be BiS.
- There are warnings above each of the profiles about ‘use_item’, but that was implemented to ensure that trinkets would be used.
- The nomenclature of the “bis” profile was not changed from where I was doing some other testing so it should be right for unholy, but as you’ll from 2h frost is was not the best, but point gets across anyways.
- The nomenclature for the other profiles is the piece that was swapped out from the original “BiS” profile.
- Assumed legendary ring would be BiS automatically.
- If you see any errors please let me know and I'll correct them.
Abbreviations:
- uh_fb = Unholy Festerblight Priority
- uh_bb = Unholy Blood Boil spam playstyle
- dw_ms = Mastersimple DW playstyle
- FC = Rune of the Fallen Crusader
- RI = Rune of Razorice
- PL = Plague Leech
- PB = Plaguebearer
- UB = Unholy Blight
- RC = Runic Corruption
- RE = Runic Empowerment
- BT = Blood Tap
- NP = Necrotic Plague
- BoS = Breath of Sindragosa
- None = No talent selected
tl;dr:
Unholy is top with all rune regen talents being relatively close no matter the situation. Pick up PL. For tier 7 pick up Defile for any sustained situation (ST and AoE), and BoS for any burst situation (ST and AoE). Stat weights: Str > Mult > Mastery > Crit > Vers > Haste.
Now for more in-depth stuff!!!
Here’s the top 40 profiles for Mythic ST sustained (450 secs intervals):
Spoiler:
The top combinations for each of the specs are as follows:
Unholy @ ~42141: PL/BT/defile.
All 3 rune regen talents are close: BT (42141) > RC (41621) > RE (41367).
Stat weights are: Str (7.13) > Mult (4.43) > Mastery (4.24) > Crit (3.34) > Vers (3.05) > Haste (2.52).
DW frost @ ~38224: FC/RI/PL/BT/defile.
All 3 rune regen talents are close: BT (38224) > RC (38100) > RE (37856).
Stat weights are: Str (5.98) > Mastery (3.27) > Mult (2.93) > Vers (2.79) > Haste (2.33) > Crit (2.24).
2H frost @ ~38075: FC/PL/RC/defile.
All 3 rune regen talents are close: RC (38075) > BT (37847) > RE (37768).
Stat weights are: Str (5.78) > Mult (2.90) > Vers (2.76) > Haste (2.63) > Crit (2.37) ~= Mastery (2.30).
Analysis: PL seems to be the clear winner overall as well as defile for ST. It’s funny to see how taking PL and no tier 7 talent is better than taking either of the other two and any tier 7 talent. Interesting to see how a blood boil based rotation is still so high after they’ve said multiple times that they do not want that to be a competitive playstyle. It’s also interesting to see a rise in a festerblight playstyle emerging with recent buffs. I imagine that an NP buff, which they’ve mentioned on doing, will push this to even being a more competitive playstyle. Mastersimple seems to be behind by only ~914 (~38224 - ~37310).
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cq7lq3xol1...3_14.html?dl=0
Here’s the top 40 profiles for Mythic ST burst (30 secs intervals):
Spoiler:
The top combinations for each of the specs are as follows:
Unholy @ ~79394: PB/BT/BoS.
All 3 rune regen talents are close: BT (79394) > RC (78273) > RE (78205).
Stat weights are: Str (12.15) > Mastery (8.15) ~= Mult (7.99) > Crit (6.50) ~= Vers (5.87) > Haste (3.61).
DW frost @ ~61644: FC/RI/PB/BT/defile.
All 3 rune regen talents are kind of close: BT (61644) > RC (60966) > RE (60629).
Stat weights are: Str (8.93) > Mult (5.04) ~= Vers (4.73) ~= Mastery (4.73) > Crit (3.81) > Haste (1.89).
2H frost @ ~65403: FC/PL/RE/BoS.
2 of the rune regen talents are close (not BT): RE (65403) > RC (65362) > BT (63533).
Stat weights are: Str (8.98) > Mult (5.29) ~= Vers (5.02) > Crit (4.42) ~= Haste (4.28) > Mastery (3.55).
Analysis: It’s pretty interesting to see that unholy becomes the burst class here whereas 2H frost has been traditionally our bursty spec. Also pretty neat for unholy that PB/UB/PL are all within ~137 dps of each other when picking the most optimal tier 4 and tier 7 talents and when changing tier 4 they’re still pretty close. Also pretty interesting to see that PB becomes the go to with unholy and DW frost.
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pbzvlib5lh...urst.html?dl=0
Here’s the top 40 profiles for Mythic AoE sustained (5 targets at 450 secs intervals):
Spoiler:
The top combinations for each of the specs are as follows:
Unholy @ ~94440: PL/BT/defile.
All 3 rune regen talents are close: BT (94440) > RC (94127) > RE (93210).
Stat weights are: Str (17.07) > Mult (10.46) > Mastery (10.15) > Crit (7.55) > Vers (6.97) > Haste (4.87).
DW frost @ ~67044: FC/RI/PL/BT/defile.
All 3 rune regen talents are close: BT (67044) > RE (66105) > RC (65891).
Stat weights are: Str (11.13) > Mastery (6.57) > Mult (5.36) > Vers (4.92) > Crit (4.59) > Haste (3.36).
2H frost @ ~65357: FC/PL/BT/defile.
All 3 rune regen talents are relatively close: BT (65357) > RE (64961) > RC (64410).
Stat weights are: Str (10.88) > Mastery (6.40) > Mult (5.05) > Crit (4.84) ~= Vers (4.84) > Haste (1.71).
Analysis: For unholy it seems as though PL takes over as being dominant with PB closely behind and UB not being too far off. Whereas for both frost specs PL is still dominant with the others not being too far off. Defile is still king here for all three. Not much really surprising here.
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gqerjtlyvo...ined.html?dl=0
Here’s the top 40 profiles for Mythic AoE burst (5 targets at 30 secs intervals):
Spoiler:
The top combinations for each of the specs are as follows:
Unholy @ ~133533: PL/BT/BoS.
All 3 rune regen talents are close: BT (133533) > RE (133423) > RC (133085).
Stat weights are: Str (21.12) > Mult (15.22) > Mastery (13.38) > Crit (10.39) > Vers (9.13) > Haste (2.29).
DW frost @ ~106862: FC/RI/UB/BT/defile.
All 3 rune regen talents are close: BT (106862) > RE (105515) > RC (105081).
Stat weights are: Str (15.28) > Mastery (9.54) > Mult (8.37) ~= Vers (7.93) ~= Crit (7.14) > Haste (2.27).
2H frost @ ~119064: FC/PL/RE/BoS.
All 3 rune regen talents are close: RE (119064) > RC (118890) > BT (116002).
Stat weights are: Str (16.98) > Mult (11.90) > Mastery (10.25) > Vers (8.50) ~= Crit (8.31) > Haste (3.74).
Analysis: For unholy it seems that the three tier 1 options are super close. BoS becomes top for unholy in a burst situation as expected. For 2H frost it seems that a combination of PL and BoS is the go to. For DW frost it’s interesting to see defile still the top for a burst situation. My estimate for this is that it’s harder to not only generally build up RP, but also to maintain it and still conduct sufficient AoE. For DW all tier 1 talents are pretty close when choosing defile.
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kqz35zlbnl...urst.html?dl=0
Here’s some analysis on multi-target (2-4) for sustained:
For 2 targets sustained here’s the top 40 profiles:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/s2yycqqgo7...ined.html?dl=0
For 3 targets sustained here’s the top 40 profiles:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bkg654zc46...ined.html?dl=0
For 4 targets sustained here’s the top 40 profiles:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/50dghb6le2...ined.html?dl=0
Here’s some analysis on 5 targets for burst:
30 secs burst:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kqz35zlbnl...urst.html?dl=0
45 secs burst:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/px80l0aunp...urst.html?dl=0
60 secs burst:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mlsxobqvfe...urst.html?dl=0
75 secs burst (ish):
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ctdoh1gax7...urst.html?dl=0
90 secs burst (ish):
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/eqdux45q8d...urst.html?dl=0
As far as races go here’s a breakdown for the three specs:
Unholy:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/x5g5ww3u9p...aces.html?dl=0
DW frost:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qy6qf5njbb...aces.html?dl=0
2H frost:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dzvcod0896...aces.html?dl=0
Gear Analysis:
Here’s the BiS for each of the 2h frost difficulties:
2h frost @ mythic:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/67ugwzoqi6...gear.html?dl=0
2h frost @ heroic:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/i4tum6pn5w...gear.html?dl=0
2h frost @ normal:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/l690kagwyw...gear.html?dl=0
2h frost @ heroic dungeon gear:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8mpibclhrl...gear.html?dl=0
2h frost @ highmaul BiS:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vbewxktgwl..._bis.html?dl=0
Here’s the top 40 for each 2h frost spec:
2h frost @ mythic:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/67ugwzoqi6...gear.html?dl=0
2h frost @ heroic:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/i4tum6pn5w...gear.html?dl=0
2h frost @ normal:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/l690kagwyw...gear.html?dl=0
2h frost @ heroic dungeon gear:
Spoiler:
2h frost @ highmaul BiS:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vbewxktgwl..._bis.html?dl=0
My analysis:
The tier pieces we’ll want to take are head, chest, legs, and hands with shoulders as off-piece. Seems as though Kagraz’s Burning Blade will be a really close competitor through the tiers as another weapon. The same goes with our options for shoulders since they are all extremely close. Seems as though switching out chest tier for Chestplate of Rolling Fury and taking the tier shoulders is also a competitive set as well. Vertebrae Protector is also a viable option for a neck piece.
Here’s the BiS for each of the unholy difficulties:
Note that enchants for Unholy should all be multistrike!!! I forgot to update these when MS started to become better.
unholy @ mythic:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/lcgmj3goe8...gear.html?dl=0
unholy @ heroic:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/s3pkcl936m...gear.html?dl=0
unholy @ normal:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/28iu8woclt...gear.html?dl=0
unholy @ heroic dungeon:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ohatcla125...gear.html?dl=0
unholy @ highmaul BiS:
This should have neck/back enchants of MS as well.
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4t52tx1p88..._bis.html?dl=0
Here’s the top 40 for each unholy spec:
unholy @ mythic:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/lcgmj3goe8...gear.html?dl=0
unholy @ heroic:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/s3pkcl936m...gear.html?dl=0
unholy @ normal:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/28iu8woclt...gear.html?dl=0
unholy @ heroic dungeon:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ohatcla125...gear.html?dl=0
unholy @ highmaul BiS:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4t52tx1p88..._bis.html?dl=0
My analysis:
The tier pieces we'll be looking at are head, shoulders, chest, and legs with hands as off-piece. Vial and Tectus seem pretty close for other trinkets. There are also pretty close weapon options with blackhand (though won’t get until later..) and crescent as well. Some other options for bracers, belt, and cloak are pretty close as well.
Here’s the BiS for each of the dw frost difficulties:
dw frost @ mythic:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5qgvtexcfp...gear.html?dl=0
dw frost @ heroic:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cp14axzxy2...gear.html?dl=0
dw frost @ normal:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5hua0a05yy...gear.html?dl=0
dw frost @ heroic dungeon:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6v8bviwsr2...gear.html?dl=0
dw frost @ highmaul BiS:
This should have enchants on neck/back of mastery.
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/uvthu46zvi..._bis.html?dl=0
Here’s the top 40 for each dw frost spec:
dw frost @ mythic:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5qgvtexcfp...gear.html?dl=0
dw frost @ heroic:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cp14axzxy2...gear.html?dl=0
dw frost @ normal:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5hua0a05yy...gear.html?dl=0
dw frost @ heroic dungeon:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6v8bviwsr2...gear.html?dl=0
dw frost @ highmaul BiS:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/uvthu46zvi..._bis.html?dl=0
My analysis:
It seems that weapons are pretty close between kromogs and taners at least (combinations of them as well). Seems that fleshmelter bracers are a competitive option for bracers. Also seems that flamefury gauntlets are pretty competitive and uktars belt of chiming rings as well. Close options too for cloak and ring.
Here’s an updated trinket list for the three specs:
Unholy from pre-raid:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1slzufwavy...raid.html?dl=0
Unholy @ mythic:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/quhwvm7wbr...list.html?dl=0
2h frost from pre-raid:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2pek04majf...raid.html?dl=0
2h frost @ mythic:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mssfucf1sl...list.html?dl=0
dw frost from pre-raid:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9rwrzalgdj...raid.html?dl=0
Dw frost @ mythic:
Spoiler:
Reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4g5av372g7...list.html?dl=0
Extra sim information:
5 target sustained
without glyph of outbreak:
Spoiler:
with glyph:
Spoiler:
Seems to be an increase for defile and, unsurprisingly, a loss for BoS.
You can find all my profiles here:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1zf1uvhg4...mqjxcnHja?dl=0
To do list:
- Finish pre-raid gear lists.
- Re-run raid gear profiles to reflect pvp trinket changes.
- Model waiting playstyle for DW/2H frost (DW is simple whereas 2H is complicated). I know currently it’s a small gain, but want to see by how much exactly.
- Start looking at next raid tier (750 ilvl and on).