Senate Report on CIA Torture is out

[nextormento]

torture is abhorrent, but it's also a useful tool if done properly.

Can you elaborate on what is properly done torture?

[Deleted]

Waterboarding is torture - my god, if tempered in battlefield terrorists tell everything after 3 minutes...its a fvcking torture by definition.

They tell not everything but anything.

[Deleted]

They tell not everything but anything.

Sure there is that element...but also the detained person is is endangering himself by lying aswell.

[taliey]

So hurting people and then expecting them to turn around and hope that one of them will cooperate with us is a bad idea?

Color me surprised.

[Independent voter]

You have to realize too, that this is report is by Democrats who want to embarrass the Bush administration. It's full of bias.

[Machismo]

We got a lot of useful information from those interrogations. If people wanted proof that torture accomplishes nothing, this isn't it.

Some of the stuff they call torture, I would call annoying people. There were no red hot pokers, no whips.

Actually, the report says just the opposite of what you are trying to say. As far as whether it was torture, it certainly fits the definition our federal government has used for decades.

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Sure there is that element...but also the detained person is is endangering himself by lying aswell.

The ticking bomb scenario is bullshit.

You have to realize too, that this is report is by Democrats who want to embarrass the Bush administration. It's full of bias.

Fight the facts not the person.

[Gumboy]

Should be an interesting read, wonder if the main news outlets will report on it or stick to police cases.

[Sinnerbenkei]

Wait if these "people" are confirmed terrorists then why hold back on them? They were going to harm innocents anyway or probably already have, they forfeited their right to humanity the moment they chose that.

Well partially because not all of these people were confirmed terrorists Source: http://www.documentcloud.org/documen...ase-final.html

* Of the 119 known detainees that were in CIA custody during the life of the program, at least 26 were wrongfully held. Detainees often remained in custody for months after the CIA determined they should not have been detained.

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Torture is mostly a waste of time for 2 reasons.

1, Most of the time any information given will be lies and bullshit, everyone will have more than one cover story ready and it takes time to pull it apart and analyze it.

2, Most information is time sensitive and because of the above it is mostly useless by the time you get it.

[Hammerfest]

Release of this report has been timed to distract from Gruber's testimony today regarding Obamacare.

[Machismo]

Release of this report has been timed to distract from Gruber's testimony today regarding Obamacare.

They've been trying to release it for a long time. It's not about Gruber's testimony, it's about putting it out before the GOP takes over the Senate.

[Nathreim]

I missed that part in the Geneva Convention

Doesn't apply to terrorists.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Wait if these "people" are confirmed terrorists then why hold back on them? They were going to harm innocents anyway or probably already have, they forfeited their right to humanity the moment they chose that.

Aren't most of the people in Guantanamo innocent?

[Gumboy]

They've been trying to release it for a long time. It's not about Gruber's testimony, it's about putting it out before the GOP takes over the Senate.

That actually has nothing to do with it as far as I have read, on multiple sites. Can you link a legit source saying that? I'm not saying you are wrong; just that I have heard..other things. More like the military/cia did not want it released, period.

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Aren't most of the people in Guantanamo innocent?

Innocent is a strong word :P

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Doesn't apply to terrorists.

Yes it does. Except the US Government thinks that calling people "enemy combatants" instead of "prisoners of war" gives them the right to do whatever the fuck they want.

[Independent voter]

Aren't most of the people in Guantanamo innocent?

Uruguay volunteered to take 6 gitmo detainees. I think Portugal took 2. No other countries have stepped up to take the remainder. And of course there are some we dare not let loose on the world.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Innocent is a strong word :P

How about "innocent of charges of terrorism, conspiracy to commit terrorism or being complicit in the execution of an act of terrorism" then.

[Hammerfest]

They've been trying to release it for a long time.

I know. It's an old story... given new life by the mainstream media in order to distract from less popular news.

[Nathreim]

Yes it does. Except the US Government thinks that calling people "enemy combatants" instead of "prisoners of war" gives them the right to do whatever the fuck they want.

Article 5 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which governs the treatment of civilians in occupied territories, states that if a civilian “is definitely suspected of or engaged in activities hostile to the security of the States, such individual person shall not be entitled to claim such rights and privileges under the present Convention as would, if exercised in favor of such individual person, be prejudicial to the security of such State.”