Feral healing is still out of control

[Deztru]

So I did a 2v2 arena. There was a feral druid with shirvallah of course.

The arena lasted for ~1min and the feral did 483k healing during that.

Now I don't care whether he used cooldowns or not, whether he had better gear or not. THEY JUST SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HEAL THAT MUCH BY ANY MEANS AND DO THE SAME DAMAGE + EVEN MORE THAN A PURE DPS CLASS!

[oplawlz]

You are correct.

[Deleted]

Yes, Ferals still have that incredible toolkit that was barely touched upon in 6.0.

Been watching lots of streams lately with feral druids - they almost alwats get a win, rare cases some Frost DK or Mage can get them..

Saw Sodapoopin yesterday do almost 5v1, tho they arent good players still kinda...

[Heywes]

I am seeing a lack of evidence on what actually transpired in this arena game. Feral healing got gutted pretty hard with the last hot fix. If you allowed a feral to use a 6 minute cool down and heal his ass off, then he will heal.

But where is a screen shot of the game that shows damage, healing, time. Evidence is needed for actual analysis. At the moment your comment contains no constructive content at all.

[Deztru]

I am seeing a lack of evidence on what actually transpired in this arena game. Feral healing got gutted pretty hard with the last hot fix. If you allowed a feral to use a 6 minute cool down and heal his ass off, then he will heal.

But where is a screen shot of the game that shows damage, healing, time. Evidence is needed for actual analysis. At the moment your comment contains no constructive content at all.

I just edited a screenshot of my Skada

[Rucati]

Eh, not sure I agree. As someone that doesn't play with or as a Feral, I don't really see Feral healing as a problem. You did 2v2, that was your first mistake.

Also, their DPS compared to a pure DPS class is 100% irrelevant. Pure classes bring things that hybrids don't (generally more CC, for whatever reason), I could call Warlocks overpowered because they can spam Fear on everyone the entire game and top damage every time, but that's their mechanic and it's the utility they bring to the arena. Hybrids bring less CC but offheals instead. Even if they did the same damage, if they couldn't do a decent amount of healing they'd be completely useless. Why bring a hybrid that can't heal over a pure that does the same damage but can also CC people more reliably?

Again, you did 2v2, nothing in that bracket is balanced.

As a quick edit:

Looking at that screenshot he did 416k, you can't count the health he got from Healthstone. On top of that he had to have use Healing Touch like 3-4 times, interrupt it, that's not a hard concept. On top of that Rejuv can be dispelled. Seems like you got outplayed, not the classes fault.

[Zoibert the Bear]

I do not see the problem here. Feral lacks the vast amount of survivability of a rogue for example, but compensates through healing. Every class fills the gaps somehow, I would gladly give up healing if we get evasion, smoke bomb, vanish and all that good stuff.

[Deleted]

They need to be brought down to reasonable levels. If you've witnessed the healing power of a feral first hand you know just how incredibly potent it is. It's frankly shocking when compared to say a shadow priest.

[Keyboard Champion]

It's fucking stupid. People whine about gladiator warriors for having the damage of a dps and the resilience of a tank, but in pvp I'd rather fight a gladiator warrior than a fucking feral druid. I was fighting this feral with my dk and the best I could do was drop him to about 75%. He was taking less damage than a disc priest and healed like one too. I was beginning to think there was a healer hiding in a bush nearby but it was just me and him. It's retarded.

[Saberstrike]

Feral / ret are just the worst offenders. Escapes / healing in general are way out of control.

Way I see it, if you take damage in PvP your health should stay within 5-8% of what you had when you took that damage for at least a few seconds, with heals not healing more than 10% at a time. All instant heals, all passive heals and all the dumb "does +9000% heal on allies" mechanics should just go.

[Madus]

Looking at that screenshot he did 416k, you can't count the health he got from Healthstone. On top of that he had to have use Healing Touch like 3-4 times, interrupt it, that's not a hard concept. On top of that Rejuv can be dispelled. Seems like you got outplayed, not the classes fault.

While i agree with you at all, its not so easy to interupt instant HT from Predatory :P

[RH92]

I did check him up on Armory, he has quite a bad gear, but he is Challenger from latest season (I am not sure if it is any big deal, but I suppose so).

Looking at his profile, I did not knew Ferals have Major glyph that increases healing taken by 20% while in cat form.

[Deleted]

Dispel PS proc, 75% of feral healing is gone. If you are running 2v2 with no offensive dispel, you just
get countered by ferals. If you run dispel and feral heals 400k in 1 minute, you played poorly.

I'll gladly take -50% healing nerf if they make PS reliable vs. decent players.

[Holofernes]

i am challenger from last season too. And i die in those random 6 second stuns from paladins every single time, while having full blue pvp gear and double stamina trinkets.

But.. i am a resto shaman.

[oplawlz]

I do not see the problem here. Feral lacks the vast amount of survivability of a rogue for example, but compensates through healing. Every class fills the gaps somehow, I would gladly give up healing if we get evasion, smoke bomb, vanish and all that good stuff.

You mean like if you have a 50% damage reducer, team-wide speed boost, instant root, an incapacitate, or a plethora of utility talents to choose from? Yeah, that would be OP.

[Rucati]

While i agree with you at all, its not so easy to interupt instant HT from Predatory :P

That's true, but it's dispellable, and since you should be mashing dispel for Rejuv anyway it usually takes care of it.

[RH92]

i am challenger from last season too. And i die in those random 6 second stuns from paladins every single time, while having full blue pvp gear and double stamina trinkets.

But.. i am a resto shaman.

Haha, I wasn't playing in MoP so I don't know how hard was it to obtain.

[Rucati]

Haha, I wasn't playing in MoP so I don't know how hard was it to obtain.

Pretty sure they gave Challenger to everybody with a pulse, had like a 1400 requirement or something? No idea, Challenger is always given to just about everyone that does 3s though. Not that it means much, MoP was way different plus it's possible he got that title playing Resto or something. Besides, titles don't mean a whole lot, the number of Gladiators, rank 1s and Arena Masters I've seen at ~2k is completely insane.

[RH92]

Pretty sure they gave Challenger to everybody with a pulse, had like a 1400 requirement or something? No idea, Challenger is always given to just about everyone that does 3s though. Not that it means much, MoP was way different plus it's possible he got that title playing Resto or something. Besides, titles don't mean a whole lot, the number of Gladiators, rank 1s and Arena Masters I've seen at ~2k is completely insane.

Fair enough, but I guess it still is a sign he might have some clue about what he is doing.

Unlike OP, who is Mage and forgot to spam his Spellsteal. And his buddy was a Hunter, there are only two characters at level 100 in EU named Kerrik and both are Hunters. They shouldn't really have an issue kiting Feral around. I guess they were outplayed as the Warlock is challenger too.

What an armory checker am I.

[Elodeon]

I'm pretty sure the problem is the synergy between Berserk and Predatory Swiftness. Berserk reduces the cost of all Cat Form abilities by 50%. This makes it possible to rack up combo points super fast and procing Predatory Swiftness much more often while dishing out nearly double the damage, or even more if used with Incarnation.

It would be best to chain CC / kite the Feral as much as possible during Berserk, since he'll be dishing out nearly double the damage while also healing a lot. I suspect you tunneled the Feral instead, while exposing yourself. That gets you killed.