Confused about Doomhammer

[gcsmith]

So in Warlords of Draenor, we meet Doomhammer as one of Blackhand's lieutenants. Now, as the Alliance we kill some of his forces then suddenly meet him as an ally fighting against Blackhand on the boat.

Why does he suddenly turn? And do the Alliance get to see it?

[Deleted]

His turn happens in 2-3 horde quests, after a talk with Durotan. Nothing special, really.

[frangeek]

Sometime between the time we face him and the Shattrath battle, he realizes how Blackhand and the Iron Horde are slaughtering innocent people in the city.
He is still an honorable Orc who just chose the wrong side. So he confronts Blackhand, but Blackhand easily one shot him.

It seems that there was an intention to make a longer quest-line involving Orgrim, but maybe because of time constraints this idea was scratched and we got this rushed story arc... it is really sad because this was the opportunity to know more about the Orc who led the Horde to what it is now.

You can tell that this was rushed and unfinished by just looking at his model, he is using the old armor model and the old hammer model.

[Disreali]

His story was cut when they redid the zones to make them less orc-centric.

[fzhfzh]

The whole Gorgrond was supposed to be development for Doomhammer, then Alliance complained about too much orcs, so the whole zone got changed and this is the result.

[Venziir]

His turn happens in 2-3 horde quests, after a talk with Durotan. Nothing special, really.

Not really, his turn happens as he's talking to Blackhand, and realizes that - oh shit - Blackhand's a wackjob.

[Dezmos]

It sucks that ogrim was killed off so soon but what happens to this timelines doomhammer? Such a powerful weapon to just have sitting at the bottom of the bay after the explosion

[fzhfzh]

Well, Doomhammer is not really a legendary weapon because of the weapon itself, but because of its users Orgrim and Thrall.

[Deleted]

You can tell that this was rushed and unfinished by just looking at his model, he is using the old armor model and the old hammer model.

They should've used an altered Thrall model. Add hair and shoulder armor, lose the cloth and slightly alter skin colour. And done is Doomhammer. Doesn't require a lot of work.

[bison91]

The whole Gorgrond was supposed to be development for Doomhammer, then Alliance complained about too much orcs, so the whole zone got changed and this is the result.

god damn alliance. i readed 15 wc books and played warcraft since 2003 and this guy is my best character among all races....and they kill him like a kitty!? fucking complainers...orc involvement? atleast its orcs and not damn robotic humans or jelly legged nelfs...seriously...i should have complained about these complainers

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they ruined it...draenor could be better...much better

[gcsmith]

Hmm, find it strange that blizzard wouldn't be prepared for "Orc centric complaints." They already knew the Alliance felt shafted before the "High King" stuff, which they screwed over. Surely that should have factored into original plans for Draenor... sigh.

Now I as an Alliance player get a half finished story that makes no sense because we literally go from Trying to Kill Ogrim to him being killed by Rend in one quest... Thanks other alliance players......

[Kralljin]

What really surprises me is that Durotan doesn't even notice the similarities between Thralls Hammer as well as his Armor and Orgrim's stuff.

I mean, im still wondering if those people on Draenor are aware of being "alternate", at least Horde questing seems to dodge this question.

[Zoldor]

Doomhammer was the worst dealt with of all the characters of previous lore. He changes his mind in an instant talking to Blackhand, even as a Horde player its very rushed and glossed over. Durotan basically tells Ogrim whats up, he ignores it, then while chatting with Blackhand for like 10 seconds decides he's against him because he's killing innocents. Doomhammer is the most mishandled character easily in the expansion. His story is a mess from either side.

[gcsmith]

What really surprises me is that Durotan doesn't even notice the similarities between Thralls Hammer as well as his Armor and Orgrim's stuff.

I mean, im still wondering if those people on Draenor are aware of being "alternate", at least Horde questing seems to dodge this question.

Velen seemed to have an Inkling of what was up. He knew something was wrong with the timeways at least And I'm certain the furies know something, with the whole "He's not from our time" thing in the short story with Kairoz and Garrosh coming to Draenor.

[Littleraven]

This entire expansion is a trainwreck in the lore department so far. They have gone the Game of Thrones route and are just throwing character away which is funny because they said they didn't want to do that after all the major players that were killed off in BC.

I hope to god that things get better as the patch cycles roll out because right now the lore of this expansion is some of the weakest thus far. The expanion and content are great but everything feels so rushed and mish mashed together. It's for that reason i was looking forward to the Garrison campaign but even that is underwhelming. I was expecting something in the vein of the landfall story line in MoP but this hasn't even come close yet imo.

Don't get me wrong. I'm loving WoD but man. So many things are being glossed over right now. Doomhammer was just thrown away. Maraad was thrown away. Hell even Bladefist was thrown away. To have him fall over so easily as the first boss of the first raid just feels wrong lol.

[Manabomb]

The whole Gorgrond was supposed to be development for Doomhammer, then Everyone complained about too much orcs, so the whole zone got changed and this is the result.

Fixed for you. Damn near everyone is sick of Orcs by now, WoD is salt in that wound.

[Jokubas]

Considering most of Talador seems glued together, and obvious bits of development for Yrel and Maraad were cut as well (she is magically wearing her exarch armor after the cutscene, for example), it's extremely unlikely Doomhammer got cut because he's an orc.

[Mgann-Morzz]

Consider most of Talador seems glued together, and obvious bits of development for Yrel and Maraad were cut as well (she is magically wearing her exarch armor after the cutscene, for example), it's extremely unlikely Doomhammer got cut because he's an orc.

No see in this case, we actually know how it was meant to go, there was a questline centered around him in early versions of Gorgrond that were publicly tested, but later the zone was changed completely, more than any other zone was and all the Iron Horde content (which is what most of the quest were about in that version of the zone) was basically cut. I think there was some cut Yrel and Maraad stuff in the earlier versions of Gorgrond too. It's a shame cause original Gorgrond's story actually flowed with the expansion more while current Gorgrond is like a sidequest more or less. Talador was meant to be a conclusion to stuff that would of already been introduced in Gorgrond, but now since those things aren't introduced Gorgrond feels pointless and Talador feels unifinished. I wish they had stuck to their guns since I it was a better story but I do understand why some players were annoyed since from what iv heard and seen originally the first few zones went like "you fight Orcs, then you fight MORE ORCS, and then you go somewhere else in the zone and MORE ORCS AND THERE!" But yeah current Gorgrond's storyline was basically thrown together at the last minute.

Shadowmoon Valley was also changed significantly but they made it work better there and the central story idea remains more or less the same.

I am unaware of how much Talador was changed during testing however.

[Manabomb]

What really surprises me is that Durotan doesn't even notice the similarities between Thralls Hammer as well as his Armor and Orgrim's stuff.

I mean, im still wondering if those people on Draenor are aware of being "alternate", at least Horde questing seems to dodge this question.

That's actually a good observation, the same of which can be asked for the Alliance as well. Why isn't everyone exceedingly doubtful of Maraad when he starts spouting off how dangerous the Orcs are and knows who betrayed what where (Although apparently even Maraad didn't know who became Socrethar.)

Just another thing to add to the list of lore inconsistencies with this fan service expansion.

[Kralljin]

Velen seemed to have an Inkling of what was up. He knew something was wrong with the timeways at least And I'm certain the furies know something, with the whole "He's not from our time" thing in the short story with Kairoz and Garrosh coming to Draenor.

Yeah, but there is some super awkward stuff going on.

Like Aggra commenting that Durotan was "like a father" to Thrall, im not big on timeline but i presume that Thrall is actually older than AU Durotan.

Those super strong beings are presumably aware of the fact that we're from a different time but i'm still wondering if those alternate characters will learn that they are actually alternate, and how they react upon learning how events would have played out without Garrosh.