No tuning for priests?

[Deleted]

Hello
It seems kinda strange that blizzard refuses to change anything in priests. Shadow needs a buff here and there because yet again you dont see a lot of us at the top. Disc is still the strongest spec while holy (at not mythic level Jhazrun okay?) has some troubles to catch up on most of the fights…im disappointed how blizzard refuses to look at as and touch is with stick of the buff.

[Overdispersion]

So how would you suggest they tune holy so it catches up with disc at lower levels while not being overtuned at "mythic level Jhazrun"? After all, isn't it at that level they should balance stuff around and not hc:s or a fight like Mythic Kargath that probably can be 2-healed?

[Zlebar]

We are near the very top for single target. The problem is, there are just 5/7 fights where because of dynamics we can't take as much advantage with cleave as other classes. Our ST damage is amazing though and in my opinion makes us worth bringing to the raid. Healing doesn't really need any changes at the moment. Disc is the better spec, PW:S is hard. Holy is still competitive, but is hard to play at a high level.

All in all, we don't need any buffs right now. Yes our AOE sucks as shadow, but we get excellent single target dps and I am 100% okay with that.

[Deleted]

Looking at the logs holy priest are not even showing up on most of the fights. I like both specs and i played disci whole MoP. But i wanted to give a shot for holy. And it seems underperforming…as disc in 642 im able to pull out 30k hps, we have aoe damage reduction. What holy have for burst healing? Divine hymn? It's not as big as shaman or druid cds ;/

[Tehterokkar]

Looking at the logs holy priest are not even showing up on most of the fights. I like both specs and i played disci whole MoP. But i wanted to give a shot for holy. And it seems underperforming…as disc in 642 im able to pull out 30k hps, we have aoe damage reduction. What holy have for burst healing? Divine hymn? It's not as big as shaman or druid cds ;/

You should decide your spec based off:
-Your gear: Do you have a lot of Multi-strike gear? Then Holy is better for you.
-Healing Comp: Difficult for puggers, but still, if you already have 1 other Disc and 2 Paladins, then Holy is much better for the raid.

Also, Divine Hymn > Tranq. DH gives a 10% increased Healing Taken for the entire raid, meaning that all other heals people get are stronger, compared to Tranq, which is simple healing.


OT:

Shadow: Top class single target with great Execute damage

Holy: Fine.

Disc: Fine.

Even though I don't play a Priest, I did Dungeon Gearing+CM Gold with a Priest Healer and both specs do serve a clear purpose this time around, Disc is single-target healing while Holy is AoE healing.

[Nurasu]

There's a thread for shadow here: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...nt-tuning-pass.

As for Holy/ Disc, they're more balanced than they've ever been. Disc will be valued for it's absorbs (a niche which also happens to show better on meters) while Holy competes with 3 other throughput classes. Paragon used both for their M Imperator kill. Disc is little overtuned imo, but both specs are totally viable for any difficulty.

[Deleted]

We are near the very top for single target. The problem is, there are just 5/7 fights where because of dynamics we can't take as much advantage with cleave as other classes. Our ST damage is amazing though and in my opinion makes us worth bringing to the raid. Healing doesn't really need any changes at the moment. Disc is the better spec, PW:S is hard. Holy is still competitive, but is hard to play at a high level.

All in all, we don't need any buffs right now. Yes our AOE sucks as shadow, but we get excellent single target dps and I am 100% okay with that.

I don't see where this amazing ST damage is, we're nowhere to be seen on Butcher. Would we not be up there if we're that good at ST, I think we need more focus on our dots so CoP isn't the only viable option for a 100 talent.

[Zlebar]

I don't see where this amazing ST damage is, we're nowhere to be seen on Butcher. Would we not be up there if we're that good at ST, I think we need more focus on our dots so CoP isn't the only viable option for a 100 talent.

This might sound silly, but I'm pretty sure that all the mages are getting most of the caster gear currently in top end guilds(they have way better utility and AOE/cleave) and the deeper we go into the expansion the better our representation will be on logs as the top players get drops. Paragon's top DPS on butcher was a shadow priest... and they brought 2 of us, I think that right there should speak for itself.

[Kaesebrezen]

and they brought 2 of us, I think that right there should speak for itself.

Good thing foundry as quadrillion of Butcher(= Patchwerk) fights where we can shine gloriously.

Add targets, add more movement, and our damage won't be as good as on this addons patchwerk fight.

[ceddya]

Also, Divine Hymn > Tranq. DH gives a 10% increased Healing Taken for the entire raid, meaning that all other heals people get are stronger, compared to Tranq, which is simple healing.

False, your raid will have to do an impossibly high amount of healing for that 10% buff to allow DH to match Tranq.

[Tehterokkar]

False, your raid will have to do an impossibly high amount of healing for that 10% buff to allow DH to match Tranq.

Unless something changed, I remember DH/Tranq only healing X amount of people every tick, DH buff is to all 20 people(Mythic).

[Deleted]

False, your raid will have to do an impossibly high amount of healing for that 10% buff to allow DH to match Tranq.

100% agree. I feel like DH is just supporting other (better) healing cds.

[ceddya]

Unless something changed, I remember DH/Tranq only healing X amount of people every tick, DH buff is to all 20 people(Mythic).

CDs like DH and Tranq now scale based off raid size.

[Dracodraco]

Unless something changed, I remember DH/Tranq only healing X amount of people every tick, DH buff is to all 20 people(Mythic).

Things changed. All raid CDs are raidwide now. 20x people healed per tick of tide/tranq/revival etc.

[anon5123]

Holy/Disc have their problems, but as a whole, they're not in dire need of tuning. I think we're not going to see major changes for them until 6.1 as most of their problems are related to talents or general playstyle. (Saving Grace being shit, bubblespam being really OP, Atonement being broken and stupid, etc)

[Overdispersion]

100% agree. I feel like DH is just supporting other (better) healing cds.

Yeah, let's give every healing spec one generic healing cd. Barrier should probably be replaced with something that actually boosts out healing now that I think about it, because why should I waste a gcd on something that won't increase my numbers?

[Deleted]

Yeah, let's give every healing spec one generic healing cd. Barrier should probably be replaced with something that actually boosts out healing now that I think about it, because why should I waste a gcd on something that won't increase my numbers?

Disc actually is about smoothing out the dmg.

[Nurasu]

Disc actually is about smoothing out the dmg.

I'm 99.9% sure he was being sarcastic

[Ryleh]

I dunno but if you look at OLD threads for previous xpacs, this same argument comes up and no matter what 2pc/4pc the spec gets, no matter what level: heroic, normal etc, the bottom line *always* ends up being: Disc outshines holy in logs and therefore, you see them constantly in raids while Holy lags behind. We always discuss how awesome Holy is and what a great toolkit they have but it means nada when another xpac comes out and junk remains the same. Not sure what to believe anymore.

I dont think it has anything to do with how great a player you are anymore, it has to do with the absorbs still being goofy and no real fix to bring the split class in line.

[anon5123]

Disc does not really "outshine" Holy very much. Maybe on low-damage fights like Kargath or Brackenspore, but other fights Holy can easily compete. And then there's Ko'Ragh where Holy outshines Disc.

Unless you're in a bleeding-edge progression guild, Holy vs Disc should only be chosen based on your other healers.