2 quick questions for Subtelty

[Deleted]

Hi, just wondering if i can get a bit of help from people who know.

I`ve recently switched to sub for single target fights , and everything seems good, just 2 things i`ve not really seen a definitive answer for.

1, OH weapon - What i read is that i should just equip the highest ilvl weapon i have in my OH , in my case it would be a 670 Axe, which even has mastery / multi as 2nd stats , so all should be great . But the other rogue in our comp feels i should be equipping my only other dagger i have in my OH, a 630.

Is a dagger required for Oh, or am i correct going for my higher damage Axe?


2. Hemo in rotation, can i leave it out entirely? or should i be keeping it up as much as possible? i`ve read arguments for both and not really sure which i should be doing.

[Venomdiddles]

1. Highest Ilvl > weapon speed or socket > stats

2. Hemo is mostly utility at this point for sanguinary veins honestly. For example, if you have 1 second left on find weakness, backstab instead of hemo.

[Deleted]

Hemo gets more valuable the more multistrike you have.

[Mormolyce]

It used to be dagger OH always (I forget why, something like AP scaling off MH but poison application rates being better with a fast OH), but I've heard this is no longer the case. Haven't actually seen evidence though.

[Mirean]

I did the sims (they are in a somewhere in another thread here) and same ilvl slower offhand works out to just under 100 dps loss. However, when I compared 670 slow OH vs 630 dagger, slow OH pulled about 200-300 dps more. So yes, higher ilvl > speed

[TKTank]

Forget Hemo for dps.

Higher iLvl.

[Deleted]

Forget Hemo for dps.

Higher iLvl.

Pretty much what ive been doing. Ok, thanks for the replies.

[Deleted]

From my experience my slow 670 offhand was actually a large dps loss over my 630 dagger according to sims I did, dont have them anymore as lack of another dagger is no longer an issue but I strongly recommend using 2 daggers due to the damage increase on ambush and the fact that the OH weapon dps is actually a very low priority.

[Mirean]

Okay I found my sims and indeed, the slow offhand is ahead.

630 dagger OH
630 slow OH
670 slow OH

[Maelstrom51]

From my experience my slow 670 offhand was actually a large dps loss over my 630 dagger according to sims I did, dont have them anymore as lack of another dagger is no longer an issue but I strongly recommend using 2 daggers due to the damage increase on ambush and the fact that the OH weapon dps is actually a very low priority.

The only damage that offhands provide as sub is auto attack damage and poison procs. Having a slow weapon in the offhand does not decrease Ambush damage.

Seeing as the instant portion of Deadly Poison only makes up 3-4% of your damage, while offhand auto attacks make up 8-10% of your damage, it does not take very much of an item level difference for slow offhands to win.

[Deleted]

I just thought I'd chip in with a question after reading this, I have available to me a heroic Bladefist and a normal warforged axe from twins,
normally i'd just go with weapon damage but I thought maybe it may sway towards the axe due to it having mastery/multi
Can't sim right now unfortunately, any ideas?

[Deleted]

in 99% cases higher ilvl item provides better sim results than lower ilvl item with better stats simply because higher ilvl item has more agility.

stick with heroic bladefist