Holinka failed PVP.

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Title states my concern, nothing change, you got 2 rogues stunning you and you cannot do anything, CC is the same, you don't have any pvp resiliance/pvp power and how do you even play pvp without any stress or frustration?

[PaladinBash]

The only issue with PVP is hacking as has been for the later half of MoP. Hacking is so commonplace that it's pretty mandatory and expected to hack at least a little bit. I'll take 2 rogues that don't hack over anything else.

[Rucati]

You're right, if you stand there and don't use any abilities against 2 Rogues you're gonna have a hard time.

[ellieg]

Title states my concern, nothing change, you got 2 rogues stunning you and you cannot do anything, CC is the same, you don't have any pvp resiliance/pvp power and how do you even play pvp without any stress or frustration?

Are you fully geared? are you talking about battlegrounds or arenas? Cause in arenas you have partners to peel. If battlegrounds, tough shit, stick with the group, pvp balanced around 3v3. If you aren't fully geared, youre not gonna live very long anyway.

Also what class are you? some classes counter others extremely well.

[Deleted]

Title states my concern, nothing change, you got 2 rogues stunning you and you cannot do anything, CC is the same, you don't have any pvp resiliance/pvp power and how do you even play pvp without any stress or frustration?

hi and sorry for my english its true they cheat people about cc they didnt fix nothing all the contrary is worst tan before, i you had 6 cc on pandaria and now is only 3 but the reaplication is constant is worst than before, they said we fixed the cross cc is lie still almost the same, problema here is the reaplication without control they didnt work on the reaplication , they cheat hunters mage and rogues are out of control with that trash , the gameplay i sooooooooooooooo frustrating , same like always they dont listen people, if you find a hunter and priest betwen cc out of control and dispels you dont play nothing is my experience at 1900 believeme nothing

[ellieg]

hi and sorry for my english its true they cheat people about cc they didnt fix nothing all the contrary is worst tan before, i you had 6 cc on pandaria and now is only 3 but the reaplication is constant is worst than before, they said we fixed the cross cc is lie still almost the same, problema here is the reaplication without control they didnt work on the reaplication , they cheat hunters mage and rogues are out of control with that trash , the gameplay i sooooooooooooooo frustrating , same like always they dont listen people, if you find a hunter and priest betwen cc out of control and dispels you dont play nothing is my experience at 1900 believeme nothing

They changed CC from having 13 diminishing return categories, down to 5. That's a huge change. Most things will DR eachother now. Yes, you can still get CC chained. You just need to learn how to position around pillars, not be caught in the open, save a defensive, and use your teammate to help. If youre complaining about getting raped in a bg 5v1, theres nothing that can help you beside sticking in your group.

[Mikalbolton]

0/10 for trolling.

IF serious, provide some fucking context with a legitimate concern that has an educated solution or potential solution and not just an erroneous blank statement.

[Deleted]

0/10 for trolling.

IF serious, provide some fucking context with a legitimate concern that has an educated solution or potential solution and not just an erroneous blank statement.

"Educated". You are from USA? the irony
Infracted

[alt-ithist]

"Educated". You are from USA? the irony

Either you are stupid and don't know what "irony" is or you are nation bashing which is in itself stupid. So in conclusion......

[Faesroll]

Looks more like you fail in pvp.

[Deleted]

Either you are stupid and don't know what "irony" is or you are nation bashing which is in itself stupid. So in conclusion......

Huh? try harder

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Looks more like you fail in pvp.

Tbh PVE is a faceroll for me, done CM WoD Gold at the start of the expansion done endless 50 wave, you could still argue that this is easy, but a small bunch completed this, although I love challenge PVP is frustrating while doing BGs, will find a PVP guild and will queue with them or just go ashran and practice arena

[mrmsix6]

Title states my concern, nothing change, you got 2 rogues stunning you and you cannot do anything, CC is the same, you don't have any pvp resiliance/pvp power and how do you even play pvp without any stress or frustration?

I'm not sure how you expect to play in a competitive environment against other players without any stress or frustration. That pretty much comes with the territory for anything remotely competitive.

Resilience/PvP power isn't needed.

[Deleted]

I'm not sure how you expect to play in a competitive environment against other players without any stress or frustration. That pretty much comes with the territory for anything remotely competitive.

Resilience/PvP power isn't needed.

Thats cool, but 2 rogues = You cant do anything in the fight, Stunned for 1000000000sec, and then other stun 1000000000sec, every men for himself, stunned, = dead. I done a BG and it really sucks that the CC part is the same, I see really no point of giving a stun that is like what 7sec long or even longer

[Anjerith]

Title states my concern, nothing change, you got 2 rogues stunning you and you cannot do anything, CC is the same, you don't have any pvp resiliance/pvp power and how do you even play pvp without any stress or frustration?

Every class has abilities to counteract against stuns.
If you are just out in the world and getting ganked, since no context is given in this post, well, that is another matter. I will say that surprise attacks in the world environment are pretty much just going to result in the victim dying. No game is going to give each character the ability to totally overwhelm a mob of player bandits.

If it is e-sport based (arena, bg, whatever) then, again, the tools are available to you to be able to compete. It is a matter of learning how to use them.

[Shaderas]

Thats cool, but 2 rogues = You cant do anything in the fight, Stunned for 1000000000sec, and then other stun 1000000000sec, every men for himself, stunned, = dead. I done a BG and it really sucks that the CC part is the same, I see really no point of giving a stun that is like what 7sec long or even longer

Are you trying to fight 2 rogues at once? As any class, trying to fight two characters at one time is not going to be easy. And, as the other more experienced PvPers here will no doubt agree, there are other two class combos that will kill you a lot faster than 2 rogues, and be almost as annoying.

The rogue's stuns will share DR. I'm not saying it's going to be easy, but their damage output will be nowhere near some of the other classes you could face.

CC is not the same, although it still can be annoying. And only Combat Rogues have a stun that can be longer than 6 seconds. You will probably only see combat rogues in random battlegrounds.

Anyways, good luck, and don't fight any 2 classes by yourself if you can avoid it.

[Ramaloce]

Normally in a 2v1 fight, the 2 wins. However OP I do sort of agree (even if the context you used wasn't the best) in the fact that the "Stun Quality;Stun Quantity" ratio in a overall sense is still off. Just cut your losses when you lose a 2v1 as the 1 though.

[Deleted]

Title states my concern, nothing change, you got 2 rogues stunning you and you cannot do anything, CC is the same, you don't have any pvp resiliance/pvp power and how do you even play pvp without any stress or frustration?

I dont think he (holinka) ever said he would remove all cc from the game.
That would also mean that every pvp player would throw this game in the bin.

Yes rogues can stun you, yes it sucks.
Deal with it.
Your class (whatever it may be) also has its own abilities and tools that others find
disgusting and annoying.

Now back to the point, it doesnt matter if you dont like getting stunned or not,
numbers do not lie, the overall amount of cc abilities / durations / dr categories are greatly
reduced, so yes holinka decreased the cc by a fair amount.

[Tyderi]

Burst of Skill is balanced, right? Spammable CC break and Sprint with 0 downside.

[Deztru]

how do you even play anything competitive without any stress or frustration?

Fixed

The answer: You don't

[Pua]

I would agree that Brian Holinka is an abnormally poor designer, but the current team is full of individuals who make things worse.

I'm just not sure what exactly the complaint is here and, thus, whether it's warranted or not.