[Poll] How is Ashran on your server?

[Dristereau]

EU-Tarren-Mill
Haven't seen the Alliance outside of Warspear, seem to be killing Vol'rath almost as soon as he spawns. I play Horde and the Horde runs around in massive groups for the side objectives, as beating the middle zerg is impossible. Grouped with EU-Ravencrest and EU-Outland, two massive Alliance PVP Realms. Kronus and Champions are pointless to summon, free Conquest for Alliance.

EU-Shadowsong
A little more balanced, seen times a bit back where Horde were camping Tremblade. Seems a bit more similar to EU-Tarren-Mill state last I visited, Alliance controlling mid and Horde focusing side objectives. Horde seem to fight back however in this group, and can sometimes stop Vol'rath being killed.

Anyone know the state of EU-Stormscale? Assuming Horde dominated?

Edit;

Just played a bit on my Horde Paladin. Alliance dominated from start to finish. Horde won one of about eight events. Kronus died within about 2 minutes of spawning. Ogre is impossible due to how many Alliance there is. Que wasn't long, but it felt impossible and during Warspear Assaults FPS dropped from 60 to 24 due to how many Alliance were rushing in.

[Naxere]

I wouldn't know, I sit in queue for hours without ever getting in. I guess that means Alliance-dominated?

[rda]

EU-Ravencrest is still linked with EU-TarrenMill as far as I'm concerned. Horde used to be able to make it troublesome for alliance to win (read, they'd stall it out as soon as alliance pushed across the bridge to warspear), but since Horde never saw a glimpse of winning at all the metagame seems to have switched to that horde runs around with organized raidgroups in the wild doing bonus objectives for their weekly 200 conquest cap. This in turn also leaves less defenders at warspear, so it easens up for alliance to win.

More wins => more people leave => shorter queuetimes. I only sat in queue for about 30 min on primetime yesterday.

I haven't seen horde win ashran a single time on RC. Not once.

This is exactly what happens on my realms (also EU).

Horde trying to win for weeks to no avail, because of being outnumbered / bugs -> hopes for win lost, Horde just trying to get their conquest and be done with it as fast as possible -> Alliance continues to win 100% of the time, because Horde don't even try (because it's pointless to try, the ship has already sailed).

Ashran is the new AV / IoC.

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I wouldn't know, I sit in queue for hours without ever getting in. I guess that means Alliance-dominated?

Nah, queue times don't mean anything wrt faction balance. My Ashran belongs to the Alliance, yet I have to sit for a long time as a Horde (it got better lately, but it's still 30 min+). On entrance, the Horde is absolutely outnumbered on the main road, but maaaaaaybe the numbers are even because most of the Horde roam around trying to do the bonus objectives and get out of Ashran as soon as possible. But queue times don't mean anything wrt faction balance.

[Biruta]

US-Azralon = 100% Alliance
Very unbalanced since Blizzard put Sargeras versus Azralon

[Livevil]

There is this faction balance/queue system in place, the same tol barad had, that is supposed to keep the population under control. This system is completely bugged and broken as fuck. I went ahead and counted the amount of alliance and horde there were in my ashran at one point, after not being able to leave the base for 2 weeks.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/12989589747

When during peak time your base looks like this http://i.imgur.com/j7V04jr.jpg (Darksorrow/Stormreaver/Drakthul/G.Batol cluster) there is something really wrong going on.

Same shit on Ravencrest/TarrenMill cluster http://i.imgur.com/np0Ulpr.jpg

I went ahead and posted the same thread on US forums and someone there did the whole procedure for his realm

Original US thread. Post 3 has a compilation of topics made by others complaining about the same issue : http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15699500413

US thread proving faction imbalance : http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15700581286

[Baracuda]

There's a problem with Ashran though: The dominating faction shouldn't get defensive buffs after they've camped the enemy general 1000x in a row, or just 5 times. Why should they get 30% health and damage/healing in their base after winning so many times, it doesn't make sense. Maybe combined with stronger stacking defensive buffs for losing faction, general not leaving his fortress at all etc.

[Netherspark]

I've never seen the Horde move further than the crossroads, certainly never seen them win. In fact most Horde don't even bother with the battle any more, they just camp the side events in groups of 30+.

[tehpwner]

Outside of the 3rd day after WoD launch, I've never seen the horde win. But at least we tend to have really short queues so we have that going for us (Turalyon-US). Makes maintaining a permanent stream of shattered bones on all my alts really easy.

[xpose]

depends on what you mean by "dominated" because Alliance is fixated on winning the nice purple box and some honor where as horde cap out conquest by doing only side events and not even fighting on the main road.


The queue times are largely dictated by the goals of each faction. Alliance queues on Emerald Dream are generally pretty quick (15-20 minutes) because all they care about is the purple box at the end of the road. Once they get it, they leave, and the next group comes in that needs the same thing.

Horde I imagine have to wait a big longer because everyone is staying in the zone to farm CONQ points because they rather get easy side objectives then win Arena games.

[Wass]

There's a problem with Ashran though: The dominating faction shouldn't get defensive buffs after they've camped the enemy general 1000x in a row, or just 5 times. Why should they get 30% health and damage/healing in their base after winning so many times, it doesn't make sense. Maybe combined with stronger stacking defensive buffs for losing faction, general not leaving his fortress at all etc.

Iirc, didn't they have a system like this in wintergrasp or Tol Barad? Not talking about tenacity in wintergrasp here. But I believe that there was a system in place which made the losing faction in Tol Barad stronger for the next upcoming battle...

A similar system could be implemented into ashran to balance the faction wins. It's not really pretty, but it'd work. But this'd only be good on paper, as battles would last very long again which would result in 4h+ queuetimes again. Noone would be happy.

[Saverem]

Terrible for the Horde.

2+ hour queues (and when the Apexis daily is Ashran, forget it, over 8 hours queue) and it still manages to be Alliance dominated. Have yet to win a single match as Horde and seen Alliance win tons.

[morislayer]

US-Ravenhodlt.

These past two weeks I have spent several hours. It appears this might be the best balanced after reading this thread. 75% of events are contested and each faction makes a strong push after farming artifacts to summon captains / Fangraal/Kronus and what have you.

It is a huge pendulum swing which I think was the design intent, i based on AV. Its still not melee friendly, but I enjoy it. We usually have 2 full raids, at capacity during peak facing off at one another. Gotta say, its not so bad in my realm.

[Baracuda]

Iirc, didn't they have a system like this in wintergrasp or Tol Barad? Not talking about tenacity in wintergrasp here. But I believe that there was a system in place which made the losing faction in Tol Barad stronger for the next upcoming battle...

A similar system could be implemented into ashran to balance the faction wins. It's not really pretty, but it'd work. But this'd only be good on paper, as battles would last very long again which would result in 4h+ queuetimes again. Noone would be happy.

Purpose would be to give losing faction a boost, if that makes battles longer because the dominating one wins less than that's fine, the losing faction doesn't get more or less as long as they never win.

[lMishka]

Sargeras - US: Alliance Dominated, at least it feels that way. I do see horde here and there.

[Laeryn]

We dominate as alliance on Sargeras-US... but the queue times are absolute horse crap, so I rarely have the time or patience to wait for 3 hours. Such fail design. Which then makes me miss out on 200 cq a week. Thanks, blizzard.

[Merite]

I win within 30 minutes every time I join on my alliance characters, sometimes less - getting a tag on the High Warlord is sometimes the hardest part. On my horde characters, I've probably spent 10 hours in there without a win, across multiple occasions, but I've also never seen alliance win (so balance I guess, if balanced means no one wins...stupid place). Hate Ashran on that character.

[Tradu]

Heavily Alliance dominated, but the Horde still insist on making winning a pain by spamming out Captains(Horde wins all the side events cos nobody on Alliance gives a fuck). That's Ravencrest-EU.

[Deleted]

Pretty balanced but a bit favored toward alliance also nobody ever wins.

[Ealyssa]

Queue dominated

HEAVILY

But once passed, Alliance dominated. In battle and side objectives

Hyjal-EU

[tapczan100]

Maybe it has to do something with people bypassing the q?