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    Enhancement Shamans any good?

    Hey everyone, I just recovered my old account back that had my shaman on it. I was gonna boost him and play him Enh and wondering how the spec is doing overall, I don't care about being #1 dps I just read around that enh shamans are in a bad spot at the moment and not many people take them to raids. Would like some more thoughts about that, thank you for your help.

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    There are multiple threads on the subject in this forum section, browse a bit and you shall be rewarded.
    Short answer - yes, they are just fine, our main weakness are 2-3target cleave fights, which will affect us going forward for Foundry, but currently after hotfixes we are pretty decent for Highmaul, and also viable in PvP atm.

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    Enhance is one of the strongest specs in the game right now.

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/6#dataset=80
    Last edited by Menthos; 2015-01-03 at 12:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menthos View Post
    Enhance is one of the strongest specs in the game right now.

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/6#dataset=80
    No, never ever ever ever ever look at statistical information like that for a whole raid. Look at it from a fight by fight basis. We are potentially really good on three fights in Highmaul; Kargath (if you group let's you go up in the stands, your dps drops significantly for this the more people you send up). Tectus, using the 8 motes strat makes us gods for the last part of the fight. Lastly is Margok, on mythic anyways it is a very good spec and you can base your strat around enhancement's aoe if you choose. The other four fights we are borderline the worst class for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menthos View Post
    Enhance is one of the strongest specs in the game right now.

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/6#dataset=80
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...t=80&boss=1706

    Enhancement is one of the weakest specs in the game right now.

    See how using overly generalized information can be used to make an incorrect statement seem true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wordup View Post
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...t=80&boss=1706

    Enhancement is one of the weakest specs in the game right now.

    See how using overly generalized information can be used to make an incorrect statement seem true?
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...Y2r6#boss=1706
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...ajwk#boss=1722

    Cd abuse ftw!
    Last edited by mmoc748d6be4b6; 2015-01-05 at 01:51 PM.

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    Not really "CD abuse" but generally what everyone should be doing on a 4 minute fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riphie View Post
    Not really "CD abuse" but generally what everyone should be doing on a 4 minute fight.
    Yeah his trinket procs on that butcher were also borderline godlike....

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    Enha is very good in tectus, no denying that. But in your butcher kill you ranked 95th percentile which is much better than any of your guildmates and you were still only 5th in damage done behind people with ~50th percentile parse and just above few 50th percentile parses, that's pretty much tells that enha isn't very good on that boss which you can see here:

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/6#boss=1706
    Feel free to change to percentile of your choice and you still see enha at the bottom, just rogues are equal to enha.

    Enha has overpowered AoE that is best in the game, but one of the worst specs in singletarget/2-3 target cleave.

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    For pugs we are BiS. Every enha shammy i've seen was on top.
    If you really like shaman, play it. We had huge problems in the begining but now we are pretty much fine, at least for pugs.
    Thats my oppinion, i'm not a hardcore player but im not bad anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sadiq View Post
    For pugs we are BiS. Every enha shammy i've seen was on top.
    If you really like shaman, play it. We had huge problems in the begining but now we are pretty much fine, at least for pugs.
    Thats my oppinion, i'm not a hardcore player but im not bad anyway.
    Pugs aren't really proving grounds for quality. If I walked into an average normal pug, I'd wager I'd be top by a huge margin simply by gear alone; as the pool of people mixing in for pugs is much bigger than those raiding in a co-ordinated guild.
    However, Enhancement is OK for now. We have some weak spots, and some strong spots; we are also surprisingly very reliant on certain gear pieces to perform properly more than others I've found, so you have to sort of live with it until you get them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esatikkane View Post
    Enha is very good in tectus, no denying that. But in your butcher kill you ranked 95th percentile which is much better than any of your guildmates and you were still only 5th in damage done behind people with ~50th percentile parse and just above few 50th percentile parses, that's pretty much tells that enha isn't very good on that boss which you can see here:

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/6#boss=1706
    Feel free to change to percentile of your choice and you still see enha at the bottom, just rogues are equal to enha.

    Enha has overpowered AoE that is best in the game, but one of the worst specs in singletarget/2-3 target cleave.
    Aye in a better guild I would probably fall behind but if you look at the first paragon kill he wasn't too far behind his guildies either.
    Not saying the paragon kill can be used as excuse, that's a whole different discussion. Just saying our current overall situation isn't that bad.
    People are nitpicking our single target dps and mixing it up with other mechanical issues enhance has in general, combining these in a stereotypical 'enhance sux' . Without doing any research or having more than 50 days /played as enhance themselfes..

    Wouldn't it be really boring if every class performed exactly the same on every fight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by riphie View Post
    Not really "CD abuse" but generally what everyone should be doing on a 4 minute fight.
    I meant delaying and picking the right cooldowns/glyphs for the right fight. Why eote for tectus, because it looks good on paper and every other enhance does it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tehillim View Post
    Yeah his trinket procs on that butcher were also borderline godlike....
    Yeah that scales sure is OP. Sure can't be that silly coin trinket. Lol

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    Zarod,

    Which talents trinkets and glyphs did u use on that mythic butcher kill? want some tips to improve

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    Quote Originally Posted by tule View Post
    Zarod,

    Which talents trinkets and glyphs did u use on that mythic butcher kill? want some tips to improve
    EM/PE/LM with coin/scales and glyph of fire elemental. Delayed the 2nd set of cds to ~3min and synced them with my scales proc.

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