What is our DK doing wrong?

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Hey! One of our guilds DKs hasn't really been doing great recently and between both DKs they are unable to figure out why, so I'm looking for some advice as to what he can improve on (and on certain fights our other dk should be able to improve too). Name is Diziria, armory is here http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ziria/advanced .

Butcher HC kill from last week: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done
Butcher mythic wipe (hit enrage, weaker raid dps today): https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&fight=32
Twin ogron mythic kill: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=11
Tectus mythic kill: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done (both DKs didnt do well here).

Thanks in advance, will pass on any advice you have
Nightrise.

[TyrantWave]

I'm only 656 and I can rival or beat your DK with ease, they're really missing obvious things.

Very low Soul Reaper use.

I don't see any Defile use on your Butcher HC kill at all.

VERY low Scourge Strike use. 59 casts over the fight is just wrong.

Are they not using Plague Leech correctly? Or capping on RP? Those will also drop your DPS considerably.

[Deleted]

Id suggest noxxic as your dk seems to have brain damage <3

Infracted

[Saphyron]

on the butcher hc kill:

dizirias uptime on dark transformation is low.
idealy you want to store as much rp without capping ofc so that when dark transformation ends you can recast it quickly after.
He only had 4 cast in a 3min fight ideally you would have 5.
his soul reaper usage is also a bit low, he can start using it at 45% boss was at 45% 1min and 40sec into the fight with a 6sec cd he should be able to 14-15 in but he only got 9
also he is using unholy plight. its kinda worthless

also unholy is slightly lower than 2h frost in pure single target so they should try go that

in regards to bendeis:
he could also squeeze in another dark transformation.
his soul reaper uptime was also better but could be better
he forgot to use a pot

both are using runic corruption, while its a nice talent getting blood tab will yield slightly better dps.

[Deleted]

If you really want to progress I'd suggest removing them as they obviously have poor knowledge of class, like recommended earlier, noxxic and icy veins would be a good place to start.

[Saphyron]

no don't use noxxic that will make them worse dps.

Make them go on here to look around or use icyveins.

Noxxic should never be recommended for anyone since they are horrible updated and give wrong info.

[Fhaust]

Chaosjones is correct. Please don't use noxxic. Nangz sticky above is a great resourse. Also, if they are unfamiliar with rune management, have them download CLCdk as an addon.

[Deleted]

Thanks Chaos / Tyrant for the constructive feedback . I'll pass it on tomorow, if anyone else spots anything please let me know.

[Axphyxiate]

As chaosjones said, Unholy Blight is pointless on that fight, it saves you 1 unholy rune every 1.5mins where as plague leech gives you 2 death runes back every 24 seconds. Even if you have to spend one of those runes to reapply diseases its still better.

2h frost and UH are so close on butcher its not worth switching specs unless you feel you can play one better than the other. If your DKs are having trouble getting their UH rotation right don't tell them to learn a different spec for 1 fight that's not even that much better (if at all).

dizirias used his 2nd pot at 1min into the fight, he should be saving it for execute phase or to be used with his 2nd gargoyle (wouldn't get it on this fight). I'm not sure how much of a dps gain it is but the extra 1000str will definitely make those ~4 soul reapers during the potion hit a bit harder.

Also looking at his opener on butcher, the first thing he uses is his scabbard trinket at 2 seconds into the fight, then he pots, then he gargoyles before actually starting to attack the boss. doing it this way he's wasting 2 seconds of the fight not doing anything? Then wastes 2-3 seconds of his 10 second trinket because he's potting, then using a GCD on gargoyle, then waiting for gargoyle to arrive etc. better to pop scabbard after gargoyle has been used.

also @chaosjones, while Blood Tap is better, the difference is like 100-200 dps if used perfectly, its almost better to use runic corruption unless you're comfortable using BT well.

[Hayden272]

you should check into your fury warrior as well, hes doing pretty mediocre dps for his ilvl i myself play a fury warrior and @ 660 ilvl do 28.5k hes 9 ilvls higher and doing 1k less.

[Deleted]

Opener is really important for our dps ob short fights due to shorter soul reaper windows.

PRE-POTTING shouldnt need a mention.

Correct me if im wrong but butcher i open lile this.

Pre pot
garg
outbreak
Defile+trinket
fest
scourge
fest

Then standard from there on.

Delay using scabbard if the boss is about to leap to range.

Then when the boss is below 45% (and isnt about to charge) use 2nd pot.

When knocked back use deaths advance to get back onto him quickly and get another soul reap before he leaps.

Hope this helps

[Slant]

Id suggest noxxic as your dk seems to have brain damage <3

Not sure if serious or not, but please don't recommend Noxxic.

[Deleted]

Both DK also have pretty low amount of Multistrike which is most important secondary stat for unholy especially for ST dps (Multistrike is almost twice as valuable as haste and about half more valuable than crit and mastery). My DK is 660 and i have 13% more multistrike and 3% more mastery than diziria.

[Deleted]

just kick both dks and get new ones, both seem to have no clue hat they are doing and the fact they are on mythic kills is saddening

[dangthe]

just kick both dks and get new ones, both seem to have no clue hat they are doing and the fact they are on mythic kills is saddening

Wow, you seem very smart.

[Pieterman]

Opener is really important for our dps ob short fights due to shorter soul reaper windows.

PRE-POTTING shouldnt need a mention.

Correct me if im wrong but butcher i open lile this.

Pre pot
garg
outbreak
Defile+trinket
fest
scourge
fest

Then standard from there on.

Delay using scabbard if the boss is about to leap to range.

Then when the boss is below 45% (and isnt about to charge) use 2nd pot.

When knocked back use deaths advance to get back onto him quickly and get another soul reap before he leaps.

Hope this helps

I tend to open with defile first, then outbreak, then gargoyle. Delaying gargoyle shouldn't be a big problem since it's unlikely to give you more gargoyle uptime on the boss. Besides, this gives your weapon enchant a chance to proc.

[Dangg]

Wow, you seem very smart.

He is right thought.

The DK plays since 2007 at least judings by his FoS, has over 21000 achievment points, but can't even be arsed to read up the absolute BASICS and needs handholding?

Hopeless case. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

[dangthe]

He is right thought.

The DK plays since 2007 at least judings by his FoS, has over 21000 achievment points, but can't even be arsed to read up the absolute BASICS and needs handholding?

Hopeless case. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

I'm sorry, but I cannot say that we talk about the absolute basics here. And also, the OP asked for some advice from other DKs on what could be wrong, I am pretty sure that "kick and replace" wasn't what he had in mind, what do you think?

[Deleted]

Wow, you seem very smart.

d'aww was the dk you? shame

[Dangg]

I'm sorry, but I cannot say that we talk about the absolute basics here.

For the progress level of OP's guild and the player's experience I think we do.

And also, the OP asked for some advice from other DKs on what could be wrong, I am pretty sure that "kick and replace" wasn't what he had in mind, what do you think?

Alright and here is my advice: If a guy has God knows how much days played, but can't figure out himself why he does subpar DPS he isn't 4 times a week Top 500 Mythic guild material and should be replaced.

Some people just don't have the potential or aren't made for it and this seems to be the case here.