Need help! Blood burst in PvP

[Auberdeen]

Ok so this the 3rd time in a row I have lost in Highmaul Coliseum to another fellow Blood DK with worse gear than me, and I am convinced I just am terrible at burst and have no idea how to line up my runes and what a proper rotation should be to burst down a DPS or Tanky class. Healers aren't giving me any issue.

Really just need help on what my rotation SHOULD be when I have, for instance, full runic power and all my runes refreshed. Really feel like I am pissing away these Death Strikes, and can't seem to balance Blood Boil and Rune Tap when I'm really in the thick of it 1v1 against a DPS. I know that it completely goes on a 'what class am i facing' basis, but just some general feedback on burst would be great!


Currently 637i with weap and 6pc Gladiator.

Running Plague Leech, Lichborne, Asphyxiate, Runic Empowerment(wrong? Blood tap still confuses me), Death Pact, Remorseless Winter(really help when its me vs. healer at the end) and Nec Plague.

Using DPS PvP Trinket (Equip: Str / Use: Versatility) and have been using that usually with Dancing Rune Weap.

Oh, and Difference between Runic Empowerment and Runic Corruption for Blood?

[kazlock]

I was trying out Blood in arenas yesterday, and I don't think they're meant to have too much burst. Their strength comes from their incredible survivability. If you use your defensive cooldowns wisely most classes can't even put a dent in you and you can just widdle them down slowly with your diseases. The trick is to recognize when they are blowing their dps cooldowns so you can pop Icebound Fortitude/Rune tap/AMS if they're a caster. The only classes that really give us trouble are ranged kiters like hunters.

Edit: I've been doing some more experimenting and I find a way to get some decent burst out of blood. If your diseases are up and you have full runes/runic power pop Breath of Sindragosa > Asphyxiate them > Remorseless Winter > Death Strike > Death strike > Empower Rune Weapon > Death Strike > Death Strike. If they will be in execute range mix in a Soul Reaper in there. Spending all your runes will keep BoS up for awhile and they will take quite a bit of damage.

[Auberdeen]

I was trying out Blood in arenas yesterday, and I don't think they're meant to have too much burst. Their strength comes from their incredible survivability. If you use your defensive cooldowns wisely most classes can't even put a dent in you and you can just widdle them down slowly with your diseases. The trick is to recognize when they are blowing their dps cooldowns so you can pop Icebound Fortitude/Rune tap/AMS if they're a caster. The only classes that really give us trouble are ranged kiters like hunters.

Edit: I've been doing some more experimenting and I find a way to get some decent burst out of blood. If your diseases are up and you have full runes/runic power pop Breath of Sindragosa > Asphyxiate them > Remorseless Winter > Death Strike > Death strike > Empower Rune Weapon > Death Strike > Death Strike. If they will be in execute range mix in a Soul Reaper in there. Spending all your runes will keep BoS up for awhile and they will take quite a bit of damage.

you're right, they are not MEANT to have burst, but with every class there is a way to line up your CDs, runes, abilities ETC to maximize dmg output on a single target fast and efficiently.

being that no one has replied to this thread after 500+ views Im guessing that no one... really knows how to?

DK moderator have a 10cents to throw in this pond of confusion?

[kazlock]

I mentioned a decent way to get some burst in my edit...?

[MalevolentPvP]

Breath of Sindragosa > Asphyxiate them > Remorseless Winter > Death Strike > Death strike > Empower Rune Weapon > Death Strike > Death Strike. If they will be in

Wrong.

Dancing Rune Weapon (gives a lot more damage) -> PvP Trinket -> Asphyxiate -> Outbreak (double diseases)-> Breath of Sindragosa -> Death Strike x2 -> Soul Reaper -> Empower Rune Weapon -> Death Strike x2

If you would like help doing damage as a Blood Death Knight, just give me your BATTLETAG or ask for mine.

[Auberdeen]

Wrong.

Dancing Rune Weapon (gives a lot more damage) -> PvP Trinket -> Asphyxiate -> Outbreak (double diseases)-> Breath of Sindragosa -> Death Strike x2 -> Soul Reaper -> Empower Rune Weapon -> Death Strike x2

If you would like help doing damage as a Blood Death Knight, just give me your BATTLETAG or ask for mine.

Uh... are you serious? why would you waste a GCD applying outbreak after you Stun...? Breath of Sindy is... viable? Soul Reaper only used if target under 35%....? Ya I don't know about either of these rotations they both seem odd as hell

[MalevolentPvP]

Uh... are you serious? why would you waste a GCD applying outbreak after you Stun...? Breath of Sindy is... viable? Soul Reaper only used if target under 35%....? Ya I don't know about either of these rotations they both seem odd as hell

You don't get it do you?

Dancing Rune Weapon doubles your diseases. I guess you don't want double Frost Fever and Blood Plague on your opponent.

Most of the time your burst will put them under 35%.

Breath of Sindragosa can be kept up for over 10 seconds as Blood.

Don't believe me, go try it. Otherwise, keep losing.

[Auberdeen]

You don't get it do you?

Dancing Rune Weapon doubles your diseases. I guess you don't want double Frost Fever and Blood Plague on your opponent.

Most of the time your burst will put them under 35%.

Breath of Sindragosa can be kept up for over 10 seconds as Blood.

Don't believe me, go try it. Otherwise, keep losing.

lol no shit dude, might wanna outbreak BEFORE you stun.... or else like I said you was a full GCD for no fucking reason mid stun. and ya, sure it hits for 10secs. that's great. no way in HELL it's better than Nec Plague just because of the 2min cooldown alone and the floppy wet noodle dmg it does

[MalevolentPvP]

lol no shit dude, might wanna outbreak BEFORE you stun.... or else like I said you was a full GCD for no fucking reason mid stun. and ya, sure it hits for 10secs. that's great. no way in HELL it's better than Nec Plague just because of the 2min cooldown alone and the floppy wet noodle dmg it does

Didn't post my macro my bad. You are right about the Outbreak, I was in a rush.

Also, Necrotic Plague is a damage unless it's at 15 stacks paired with Unholy Blight but you don't use that.

You wanted a big burst, did you not? You can get 8K ticks from BoS. In 3s, there are people who run triple Blood Death Knight at 2.3K and the way they score kills is primarily because they use BoS.

Don't start a topic about 'burst' when you disagree with an obvious choice.

Like I said, keep losing and crying. Works for me every time.

I could be a dick and point out that you use the wrong talents and your horrible glyphs on your character but I am not going to.
(By the way, use. Icy Touch as Frost.)

[Auberdeen]

Didn't post my macro my bad. You are right about the Outbreak, I was in a rush.

Also, Necrotic Plague is a damage unless it's at 15 stacks paired with Unholy Blight but you don't use that.

You wanted a big burst, did you not? You can get 8K ticks from BoS. In 3s, there are people who run triple Blood Death Knight at 2.3K and the way they score kills is primarily because they use BoS.

Don't start a topic about 'burst' when you disagree with an obvious choice.

Like I said, keep losing and crying. Works for me every time.

I could be a dick and point out that you use the wrong talents and your horrible glyphs on your character but I am not going to.
(By the way, use. Icy Touch as Frost.)

firstly, congrats on your 6th post. secondly, no one in their right mind chooses Unholy Blight, even if they do take NP. Sure, maybe as a... spineless 3's comp of triple blood ya sure! thirdly, i can disagree with whatever the fuck I want to, its a forum, its all opinion based as a result of simcrafting and actually playing. your opinion, however, is just obscure, fickle, rash, and just flat out poor. fourthly, no one is crying. i'm doing fine. fifthly, my talents and glyphs are on point all the time, because like a player SHOULD BE doing, i switch them depending on what map, or what comp I'm facing in 2s or RBGs. L2stfu

again grats on your 6th post.

[Deleted]

Woah what happened here then? Doesn't have to be a thingy waving contest. MalevolentPvP what do you recommend for glyphs and talents then?

To burst down a healer I should get all runes up, dance weapon, outbreak, stun, syndy breath then 4 deathstrikes? (with empower ofc)? as they come out of the stun I can interrupt first heal, then use arcane torrent for 2nd (Ima belf). Is this gonna be enough? because quite frankly a druid is a pig to bring down and I haven't managed it yet. Thanks.

[Deleted]

Lold, atleast on forums you can burst :P
Ask help->get help->ignore it->win @ pvp?

[Pr0ev0lution]

[Ealyssa]

You certainly loose because the other DK had more coliseum buff than you.

Winning the coliseum is less a question of proper play than a question of not being focus and maxing the kill buff (each HK give you 5 or 10 % increase damage can't remember).

So the thing is trying to tag nearly everyone in the arena during the first mass fight. Then just stack the buff and hide.

[Auberdeen]

You certainly loose because the other DK had more coliseum buff than you.

Winning the coliseum is less a question of proper play than a question of not being focus and maxing the kill buff (each HK give you 5 or 10 % increase damage can't remember).

So the thing is trying to tag nearly everyone in the arena during the first mass fight. Then just stack the buff and hide.

good call on thattt you're prolly rightt!