Flight MH17 was downed by the 53rd Russian Air Defense Brigade.

[Haven]

That is quite an interesting take on it bloodmoth, but it's still nothing but a conspiracy theory (or several), since you have 0 hard evidence of theese claims, you're simply making several guesses based on "because world domination"

There's zero hard evidence of Russian troops being in Ukraine, yet you believed it instantly and without question, oh educated one

[Crispin]

It's funny how you want american sat photos to prove what happened to mh17, yet dismiss the sat photos of Russian involvment in Ukraine, and no need to be condescending.

Also Russia lost all credibility when denying that the little green men werent theirs.

[AndromanceR]

It's funny how you want american sat photos to prove what happened to mh17, yet dismiss the sat photos of Russian involvment in Ukraine, and no need to be condescending.

Also Russia lost all credibility when denying that the little green men werent theirs.

Well America lied about nuclear weapons in Iraq.

[Crispin]

So we can dismiss sat photos because the Bush administration were fuckups? It makes as much sense as saying Putin is a drunk yeltsin was.

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Oh the biggest american colony in the world supports America by blaming the Russians, how unexpected

[Haven]

Putin admitted interfering in Crymea.

And look how it went. Quick and bloodless, peninsula secured in days and no one got hurt. Not like what's going on in Eastern Ukraine.

There are thousands of accounts of Russian soldiers being seen in Ukraine. I think we can put two and two together.

None of which are official or reliable in any way. Except maybe Babai. Babai is real.

[Shalcker]

The conditions are not the same. Crimea was annexed before the chaos that is now happening int the Dombas unfolded.

If Donbass would be annexed there would be no chaos as well.

[Thekri]

No evidence means they don't have any. Or maybe they have another evidence that puts Ukraine in awkward position. The question no one asks why is investigation in Holland taking so long? Why did they start gathering plane parts months after the crash? Why did Western media put a blame on Russia almost immediately without any suitable proof?

So let me get this straight... Evidence= The US faked it (See Iraq WMDs, Russian Troops in Ukraine, etc), No Evidence = No Evidence exists + the US clearly isn't capable of faking information.

I see why you feel the US has a credibility issue :-P

[Kellhound]

It is very simple thekri,

even if you choose to dismiss everything that has been said, there is a big flaw in their theory:

Who would gain from downing a passenger plane? Ukrainians or Separatists?
Why would you want the whole international community against you if you were a separatists?
From the other hand would you want it with you if you were Ukrainian?

Who gains the most? Russia if they can pass it off on Ukraine.

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Its a load of shit? US only had anything to gain from this. you need to read a non us news source for a change, it was a us false flag, through and through. russia released its evidence which showed a ukrainian fighter jet flying towards the plane moments before it crashed, the US has released NO evidence. stop buying into that nonsense

It has been well established a Su-25 was not the cause of the shoot-down.

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Where is the US evidence? why is it that russia is the only country still asking about mh17? its gone off mainstream news sites but russia still wants to see the US evidence, why has russia and malaysia been denied participation into the investigation when ukraine is allowed to participate. Do you blindly follow your media? do you ever question it? or are you just a shill? you dont have to believe me, just do some research into it from anything but MSM.

The only reason Russia would need to be involved is if they were the one's that shot it down. It was not their plane, not their citizens, and not their territory, and they have not been asked to help.

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Obama said he believes in American superiority with every fibre of his being. US want world domination, and they don't want to share such power with anybody.



No evidence means they don't have any. Or maybe they have another evidence that puts Ukraine in awkward position. The question no one asks why is investigation in Holland taking so long? Why did they start gathering plane parts months after the crash? Why did Western media put a blame on Russia almost immediately without any suitable proof?

Or the evidence is too sensitive to release as it would compromise the method of acquisition...

[Deleted]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152347952315766

I dont know about aircraft but someone here is probably able to tell what kind of jet that is.

Just thought id add this to the convo, nothing is confirmed or anything so..

[Kellhound]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152347952315766

I dont know about aircraft but someone here is probably able to tell what kind of jet that is.

Just thought id add this to the convo, nothing is confirmed or anything so..

That is an F4 Phantom II. It is not carrying any obvious weapons, though it can carry 4 AIM-7 Sparrows under the main fuselage. It is a VERY old jet.

[NYC17]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152347952315766

I dont know about aircraft but someone here is probably able to tell what kind of jet that is.

Just thought id add this to the convo, nothing is confirmed or anything so..

If the idea is the video shows the downing of MH17 consider it confirmed...to be bullshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOnsIGcZS-M

[ringpriest]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152347952315766

I dont know about aircraft but someone here is probably able to tell what kind of jet that is.

Just thought id add this to the convo, nothing is confirmed or anything so..

Uploaded to Youtube back in 2011 under the Title "Shocking video: Iran IL-76 plane crash filmed from C-130 Hercules".

Previously-unseen video footage has surfaced online, allegedly showing the crash of an Iranian military jet at an air show two years ago. It captures the moment the Ilyushin IL-76MD military plane falls to earth and explodes, after a mid-air collision with F-5E Tiger II. The haunting video was filmed by the crew of a C-130 that was filming the refuelling of an F-4 Phantom II. The planes were taking part in the September 22, 2009 air show and parade just outside Tehran. All seven crewmembers on board the IL-76MD were killed in the crash.

Here's the Wikipedia article on the original 2009 incident: "2009 Iranian Air Force Il-76MD Adnan 2 accident"

[Baneth]

If the idea is the video shows the downing of MH17 consider it confirmed...to be bullshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOnsIGcZS-M

"At least Russia is releasing evidence! Unlike the US who claims to have info, but never released ANYTHING!!"

Or at least that is something a certain poster would say... if he didn't get himself banned for trying to use the "umad" card.

[Orange Joe]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152347952315766

I dont know about aircraft but someone here is probably able to tell what kind of jet that is.

Just thought id add this to the convo, nothing is confirmed or anything so..

I like how if you go frame by frame the plane just suddenly appears as it is falling.

Uploaded to Youtube back in 2011 under the Title "Shocking video: Iran IL-76 plane crash filmed from C-130 Hercules".



Here's the Wikipedia article on the original 2009 incident: "2009 Iranian Air Force Il-76MD Adnan 2 accident"

At least that one is better quality and you can see the plane come into the screen.

[Thekri]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152347952315766

I dont know about aircraft but someone here is probably able to tell what kind of jet that is.

Just thought id add this to the convo, nothing is confirmed or anything so..

That is an F-4 Phantom II, not in service with Ukraine or the US. The plane going down in the background is some sort of high winged transport, not a Boeing like MH-17. The crashing aircraft is falling almost straight down in a spin, instead of coming in steeply but level like MH-17 did, MH-17 hit at a glancing angle, which spread debris over miles, that one hit almost straight down, and would have very little debris dispersion. In addition why would a fighter be flying a few feet below another plane in a shootdown?

In short, their is no way that is in any way connected to MH-17. My guess is that someone was doing an in air refueling operation, one of the fighters popped up from turbulence and tore the tail off the refueling plane, resulting in the loss shown on the video. Which explains the point of view of the camera as well.

It is a pretty cool video assuming the crashing plane wasn't edited in, but not relevant to this topic.

edit: NVM, ringpriest beat me too it with the actual incident listed, I was pretty close in my guess anyway.