About college, we also have no tuition fees, which means we literally only have to pay for our books and living, which we can take state mandated loans on which we get around 1,100 dollars a month on.
I suppose that is what high taxation and a society that is largely leaning towards capitalistic socialism gives.
Well me and my friend went "out" to eat in high school. (Our school was in the center of the city kinda) even tho they had food at the school so y, i can understand with highschool, but not with the lower classes, should always serve food there, can't have small kids go hungry
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The fact that the school dosen't think kids need food and just expects them to handle it themselves
Haha, what. So because they don't serve food, they think the students don't require it? What kind of logic is that? Also, what's so wrong about expecting some responsibility from the parents, or the teenager that should be more than capable of making a fucking sandwich?
Grammar school, you get to go home and have your parents take care of that. At high school you bring your own food/your parents make your lunch.
You had the choice to bring your own food to school if you cannot afford school lunches, no one would go hungry and even then some kids opted to eat just at home. It's not like you starve to death if you eat at morning, go home at 12-3pm and then eat at home lunch....
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But I guess Sweden and Estonia differ greatly. Coming from poor situation from the USSR times to the early independents in the first half of the 90s, we're kinda used to trying to manage our lives without having much support from government in all regards, what seems natural to you (even if you have high taxation due to it) is not for other place (with lower taxation due to not that much support from government).
Hm here is pretty shitty realy.
Normal kids school:
Parents need too pay for every book, every school lunch and if your parents are poor you will starve in it. (i remember some kids were giving away their food too the poor ones)....oh and buss was not free either for those who were far away.
Years 14-18
You could only get a money support from other companys (0 from country). Fellowship from country only went too kids that are extremly good (and even this one was limited)
You need too pay for books, food, any school thing they get idea too go for (you can refuse, but you grades will suffer -- it was expensive). You also need too pay some small fee so a scholl can afford some XXX item too teach in class (like chemestry). Heck you had too pay for a paper. And too make a copy of something, wasnt free either (usualy tests). Nobodly liked too give money for tests .
Higher school....
If you dont do some shitty students job too pay for everything, you can forget going into a school. Only if your grades were 99% good, you could get a Fellowship from a country....and even that one was low. (100 euros/mounth if i remember right).
However this high school didnt realy care if you show up or not, they are only interested if you pay a teaching fee every 30 days (please note--) NOT a private school).
...i stil have no idea how i managed too finish it for a usles pieace of paper that cant even get you a good job (because they dont exist).
Don't sweat the details!!!
In Finland, you get @max ~535€ a month for free and can grab 400€ a month as a loan if you are a full time
student over the age of 17.
The number scales down based on your income/living conditions etc.
i.e. If you live with your parents and they make 48k/year combined, you get 123€ a month + the loan.
You have to pass a certain number of classes to keep the money, your progress is being checked yearly.
If you fail too many, you stop receiving money or have to pay it all back, depending how much you are getting done.
It's a system where you can pursue any degree regardless of your financial background.
Ah getting paid for attending school would change it from feeling like prison to feeling like a job, maybe encourage kids to continue to higher education. hey you are a prisoner for 12-14 years. Would you like to pay for prison for the next 2-6 years of prison (probably longer depending on career)?
Btw how much do you guys get while job-less, think i got like 500euro/month from "arbetsförmedlingen" (might have been more can't really remember) aslong as you report how your job hunting is going every month(or something like that.. Was like 3 years since last time i did that so don't really remember the details very well)
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The most interesting thing I find in ninnish system is that after you've worked for eight years or more, you're able to apply for adult education subsidy. It is granted at maximum for 19 months and the monthly amount is tied to your salary. (Iirc it's 70% of what you earn monthly)
A person is also able to normally apply to schools and is entitled to all the student benefits that the "normal" students receive including goverment mandated student loans.
I've been planning on finishing my previously unfinished studies using this benefit. With my current salary it means that I'll receive a bit under 2000 euros a month AFTER taxes to study for the next 19 months which is more than enough to take care of my monthly expenses during that period.
Taken from last year of 2014 it was 122.22 euro per 31 days of month with 3.62 euro per day (btw, most household products, food, electricity, rent etc has the same cost as in Finland/Sweden). And you get it only if you have registered yourself as unemployed and are looking for work actively.
And on the side not of wages - average wage with tax incl (20% + social taxes + pension fund (which is needed)) is 980 euro. If you live outside major cities it even lower.
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When I was in elementary school (about 20 years ago), kids that weren't really, really poor paid for lunch. It was like 85 cents or something like that, another nickel or dime for a cookie or other bit of food that you don't actually need, could run a tab if you didn't have money a given day. Parents could either send their kid with a dollar or pack a sandwich and apple. Not that hard either way.
What's weird to me isn't the idea of packing/paying for lunch or a free lunch (both seem reasonable), but that you can't even conceive of parents engaging in such a simple task.
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Depends on income.
From one of the posters on Facebook.
Ina Schramm: "And my husband pays 45% income tax to support this. By the way, Sweden has the lowest student results in Europe and one of the lowest results in the world. Believe me, you don't want your kids to attend Swedish schools. Paying them doesn't help."
Well maby i exadgerated with that 500 since i don't really remember but it has to have been alot since a few month after i started working i got a mail that said " we have noticed that we payed you too little for "this" period so we are gonna give you 45000", wich is like 4500 euro i'd guess
There are a few nations below Sweden located in Europe, but that aside what that facebook user is saying is pretty true. Its fucking useless in its current form when its based upon attendance alone and not actually getting results, only serving as a state mandated allowance.