I can't believe we've just forgotten about N'Zoth and Azshara.

[Jotnar]

I don't recall us doing any kind of debilitating damage to either of them in Cataclysm - at the end of Vash, they even scoot off with the Tidehunter. N'zoth's influence is in pretty much everything at the end of the expansion - he's turning people left and right, he's spawning maws in the Dragonblight (Yogg's old stomping grounds!) and sending out the Faceless - I think that's a HUGE point, that an Old God is stepping in on another's territory either with his own troops or co-opting Yogg's old forces. And we didn't do anything to him - we don't even know where he is (presumably close to Vash ergo tentacley-stuff, but who knows?). N'Zoth wasn't powering up

So even assuming we DID deal some kind of devastating blow, it's months til' Pandaria, and even longer there when we wrap up Y'shaarj/Garrosh. And no word of them, no sound out of their forces. Same deal with WoD - we literally send the best and brightest off through the Dark Portal and they don't make a move?

Am I missing something here?

[Nefarious Tea]

Keep in mind we're lore-wise kind of stuck on Draenor. Portals in Ashran are for gameplay reasons. When we crush the Iron Horde and put Grom's head on a pike, we may return to Azeroth to find the entire place looks like the inside of the Dragon Soul raid.

[A Chozo]

Keep in mind we're lore-wise kind of stuck on Draenor. Portals in Ashran are for gameplay reasons. When we crush the Iron Horde and put Grom's head on a pike, we may return to Azeroth to find the entire place looks like the inside of the Dragon Soul raid.

Dude, I just plucked out a bunch of workers (and I think Gazlowe too) from a portal to Azeroth. This "stuck on Draenor" thing is... not true.

And I agree that Azeroth is really vunerable right now, because the war effort is directed at Draenor. Our best heroes (the players) are there, fightning. It would be easy for a new, strategic Naga attack to happen. But... remember: the Naga spent ten thousand years plotting their return.

Also, for obvious reasons, I don't think Blizzard will make any Naga content on WoD, since we must focus on... WoD. Maybe on the end we discover that the naga are, infact, attacking and making settlements on the mainlands!

[Jotnar]

Keep in mind we're lore-wise kind of stuck on Draenor.

I don't think that's true at the end of 6.0 - the initial 'attack', we had no concrete way of getting back, but the Kirin Tor are opening up portals to Azeroth all over the place (e.g. Everbloom).

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

Keep in mind we're lore-wise kind of stuck on Draenor. Portals in Ashran are for gameplay reasons.

That's what Blizzard said back in Blizzcon but it has changed since then, like every other good idea. We're no long stuck at all on Draenor, lorewise and gameplay.

[Bathory]

I don't think anyone "just forgot" about either of them.

[Canpinter]

they have the advantage of being deep under the sea, we kinda have to wait for them to make a move on us

[nonameelf]

I doubt anyone but night elves are even very concerned with Azshara.

[Deleted]

Dude, I just plucked out a bunch of workers (and I think Gazlowe too) from a portal to Azeroth. This "stuck on Draenor" thing is... not true.

And I agree that Azeroth is really vunerable right now, because the war effort is directed at Draenor. Our best heroes (the players) are there, fightning. It would be easy for a new, strategic Naga attack to happen. But... remember: the Naga spent ten thousand years plotting their return.

Also, for obvious reasons, I don't think Blizzard will make any Naga content on WoD, since we must focus on... WoD. Maybe on the end we discover that the naga are, infact, attacking and making settlements on the mainlands!

Gameplay reasons. I remember seeing a post that they originally wanted to make returning to Azeroth very difficult but tears would have flooded the forums so they went portals.

[Deleted]

I think Blizzard didn't forgot about Azshara and N'Zoth, I think that they just have no idea how to make expansion with them(w/o underwater zones QQ).

I bet "Azshara expansion" was one of few expansion projects before WoW started(with Illidan/outland and LK expansion)

[Soliden]

I honestly believe that they both are brewing for a future expansion. Those two figures are too big to just be tucked under a rug. Also, where the fuck is Kul Tiras?

[Mahourai]

Any plans to do more stuff underwater were tabled after the reception of Vashjir. The Throne of Tides raid was scuttled immediately and T12 left to rot with just an undercooked Firelands.

We defeated N'zoth's proxy Deathwing, and then he disappeared down the same hole that every other previous expansion's hanging plots currently reside in. Considering N'zoth's home court is also underwater, he might have fallen victim to the Vashjir effect as well.

[Mormolyce]

I find them both pretty forgettable.

With the Neptulon raid scrapped I don't know if we'll ever see a resolution on that storyline. They COULD just edit the end of Throne of the Tides so that Ozumat doesn't grab him at the last second. There isn't even any quest text or speech in game to acknowledge that happened, I didn't notice it the first few times I ran the dungeon.

Honestly I'd much rather they resolved the Magatha Grimtotem storyline...

N'zoth's influence is in pretty much everything at the end of the expansion - he's turning people left and right, he's spawning maws in the Dragonblight (Yogg's old stomping grounds!) and sending out the Faceless - I think that's a HUGE point, that an Old God is stepping in on another's territory either with his own troops or co-opting Yogg's old forces.

There's no evidence he was taking a direct role in those events. The Faceless generals may have been acting of their own volition, serving Deathwing and the Twilight Cult on the assumption that this is in line with N'Zoth's goals (probably would've been). There's also no evidence he was influencing Deathwing directly, rather than simply the suggestion he implanted milennia ago in his mind turning him further and further to madness. For all we know N'Zoth remains safely imprisoned wherever the Titans trapped him.

The devs made some suggestion that we'd see more of him before DS came out, but nothing came of those comments, so I can only assume they changed story direction. Maybe they'll revisit him in the future, maybe not.

[Alvito]

Dude, I just plucked out a bunch of workers (and I think Gazlowe too) from a portal to Azeroth. This "stuck on Draenor" thing is... not true.

And I agree that Azeroth is really vunerable right now, because the war effort is directed at Draenor. Our best heroes (the players) are there, fightning. It would be easy for a new, strategic Naga attack to happen. But... remember: the Naga spent ten thousand years plotting their return.

Also, for obvious reasons, I don't think Blizzard will make any Naga content on WoD, since we must focus on... WoD. Maybe on the end we discover that the naga are, infact, attacking and making settlements on the mainlands!

Which opens the door for several expansion options. While we are all off fighting the good fight Azeroth is open to invasion from other forces. I see this as a good thing so we aren't pigeon holed into one or 2 possibilities of things to come.

[Mormolyce]

I don't think that's true at the end of 6.0 - the initial 'attack', we had no concrete way of getting back, but the Kirin Tor are opening up portals to Azeroth all over the place (e.g. Everbloom).

I think that's officially lost now.

That's what Blizzard said back in Blizzcon but it has changed since then, like every other good idea. We're no long stuck at all on Draenor, lorewise and gameplay.

Not exactly, but we can't leave until we finish off the Iron Horde. Also I'm not sure how many of us Khadgar could port back if he had to, those portals are supposedly limited in lore.

[Deleted]

What you call a long time, a couple of months, the Old Gods call a fraction of a blink of an eye. If you live for countless millenia and more, and plot to destroy the Universe, I don't think a couple of month or even years matter.

[Al Gorefiend]

I doubt anyone but night elves are even very concerned with Azshara.

This. Everyone on the Alliance sans Night Elves and Draenei are Reactive, not Proactive. Unless the enemy comes to us, the Alliance won't send troops.

And everyone knows the Horde won't do anything other than try to have a semi-normal day unless Alliance acts first, then they try and keep up because Lok'Tar Ogar or something.

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

There's no evidence he was taking a direct role in those events. The Faceless generals may have been acting of their own volition, serving Deathwing and the Twilight Cult on the assumption that this is in line with N'Zoth's goals (probably would've been). There's also no evidence he was influencing Deathwing directly, rather than simply the suggestion he implanted milennia ago in his mind turning him further and further to madness. For all we know N'Zoth remains safely imprisoned wherever the Titans trapped him.

The devs made some suggestion that we'd see more of him before DS came out, but nothing came of those comments, so I can only assume they changed story direction. Maybe they'll revisit him in the future, maybe not.

http://wow.gamepedia.com/N%27Zoth

When asked about the "next Old God", Chris Metzen responded "You haven't seen who signs Deathwing's paychecks yet." shortly followed by "The third Old God is N'Zoth, and we've suggested I think directly that, uh, he was the critter responsible for the spark of the Emerald Nightmare, and he's got all sorts of other weird shit goin' on, so, he's a real problem."

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Warlord_Zon%27ozz

Dungeon Journal

Countless ages ago, Warlord Zon'ozz and his soldiers waged endless war against the forces of C'Thun and Yogg-Saron. Millennia have passed, but the warlord still serves the chaotic might of the Old God N'Zoth. Deathwing has now unleashed this legendary faceless one to crush the defenders of Wyrmrest Temple.

[Mormolyce]

http://wow.gamepedia.com/N%27Zoth


http://wow.gamepedia.com/Warlord_Zon%27ozz

As I said, Metzen's comments came to nothing in DS. So I think they changed their minds, or Metzen was speaking off the cuff.

Also note that the Dungeon Journal specifically says Deathwing unleashed Zon'ozz, not N'Zoth. In fact it doesn't even mention N'Zoth by name, from memory the only time it appears in-game is in quotes from the Faceless Generals. They could just as easily be referring to their master from millennia past, just as the dungeon journal does.

In-game canon-wise, we know nothing about N'Zoth apart from the name. Unless they decide to bring him back and make a big deal out of him.

[sojoosy]

It's not forgotten, it's just not the time they want to tell it yet.
They couldn't do big stories like that and never follow up with it. They're saving it for when they want to use it.
You're retarded if you actually think they're just going to forget it completely with no follow up.
N'zoth and Azshara's are huge characters, I defiantly like the idea that we come back to Azeroth and Naga and N'zoth is trying to take over everything.
Why would you want to play the game without stories open ended? More fun and more possibilities with looming threats people think have been forgotten.
And ps the whole they could just change the throne of the tides cinematic so that he doesn't get taken might be the dumbest thing I've read.