The point of the sarcastic statement was to say that there's nothing to say that the Bronze Dragonflight has any more/less influence in the time-ways than the Infinite Dragonflight, and that to assume that the Bronze Dragonflight is in some way less influential solely based on the fact that they are, in essence, outsourcing to us for problems that we can deal with. There are far too many assumptions that must be made to state that they have more or less influence than one another, and would require us to also assume that the only anomalies in the time-ways are caused by the Infinite Dragonflight.
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The issue with saying that they are literally outside the cycle of life and death, based on the fact that there is fallout from when they die (which is true for many Demons as well), would mean that we would also have to include many other races to this "maybe they can't die" list.
Deathknight's do it using disease, blood and the power of the unholy. Warlocks do it with dark demons by their side. Mages do it with summoned arcane powers. Druids do it using the forces of nature. Rogues do it through stealth, poison's, shadows and....from behind. Paladins do it by calling to the light for aid. Shamans do it with the help of the elements. Priests do it through the holy light.
But warriors....
Warriors just fucking do it.
If we had a 100 khadgars we probably wouldn't be needed in the first place.
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the fact that there is no new info doesn't mean they vanish. if i was them, i would want the silence before the storm, so everyone thinks there's nothing bad coming their way and, well, we had pandaria and now draenor that are more pressing matters, than something that doesn't actually manifest itself in any way (and a smart move too)
Yes, some silence is indeed good, may get the opponent to lower his guard - which we did. We can indeed expect that N'zoth's attack, when he attacks, will hit hard.
However, imagine this... We got our armies severed in the Siege of Orgrimar. The most powerfull army in the world (the True Horde) was being attacked by the rest of the armies of the world. Why not attack when the True Horde and the Horde/Allaince were at each other throats? Both armies were weakened, and there was the presence of Y'shaarj. Maybe N'zoth could contact whatever is left of Y'shaarj's conscience, and we would have to deal with the power of 2 Old Gods!
Or even, N'zoth could attack NOW, when all of our forces are in Draenor. He would make quick work of Azeroth's weak defenses!
All of that makes me think the only plausible explanation is that N'zoth CAN'T attack now. He doesn't have enough troops, even considering the Naga are mostly unharmed from the aftermath of Vashijr. Probably N'zoth is in a state that, if he attacks now, he would probably fail.
It's not about evidence, no one can really have any evidence, just guesses based on some small snippets of information.
But as for the point provided - have you ever played chess ? it's a perfectly reasonable strategy to sacrifice your figures in order to get the enemy's king.
I guess, Metzen might no go kill Thrall even in WoD why? Because Thrall is like Captain Price in CoD, a bloody icon. Many players remember Thrall from WC3, where he is a warchief of the (true for me) horde, and Thrall demise would be not nice for fans i guess.
At this point i curious... What color skin Thrall and Aggra children could have? Since Thrall is green, while Aggra bronze. Huh...
Ok back to the topic.
I agree that N'Zoth could even now laid siege on Azeroth, while champions(Players) are in Draenor dealing with Iron Horde. But who said, if old god could not appear in WoD? Remember TBC Netherwing Ledge and Black Blood Of Draenor?
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OK, if we're playing it like that, Archimonde didn't actually die, he let himself be banished to the nether and has been absorbing all of the latent magic there to become Sargeras 2.0. Sound like bullshit? Well, you can't prove me wrong, so I must obviously be right!
But really, saying things like "these losses are actually victories!" is inane when you have no evidence to prove it.
Extraordinarily claims require extraordinary evidence.
A claim without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Deathknight's do it using disease, blood and the power of the unholy. Warlocks do it with dark demons by their side. Mages do it with summoned arcane powers. Druids do it using the forces of nature. Rogues do it through stealth, poison's, shadows and....from behind. Paladins do it by calling to the light for aid. Shamans do it with the help of the elements. Priests do it through the holy light.
But warriors....
Warriors just fucking do it.
The only reason the old gods have been unsuccessful so far is because those pesky mortal races have managed to stop them while they are still in a weakened state. Even if you think it was foolish of the Old Gods to want Sargeras to be summoned so the chains binding them would be released (it really wasn't, because five old gods versus one Titan, even an insane one, would likely win), Sargeras is gone, at least for now, seeing as Kil'jaedan is the current leader of the Burning Legion in the main universe.
Also, I wouldn't call a massive war that resulted in the demise of a Titan to be "pretty easy." Clearly, the Titans and Old Gods are at least somewhat evenly matched, seeing as they are the only known creatures to have slain an actual Titan.
They cannot die not in the mans they are "immortal and indesctructible" but because they do not live in the first place (full quote: "they do not live, they do not die, they are outside the cycle") - ergo, are not alive in OUR, mortal meaning. On the other hand, from the Yogg Saron Puzzle Box:
Meaning that everyting has an end, even Old Gods. Nothing is eternal.Even death may die...
Blizzard is not going to do a Cata-style revamp of zones again. And raising something from the bottom of the ocean won't create a cataclysm. Gul'dan did it in the 2nd War and nothing happened.
"Outside the cycle" was said by a fanatical follower of the Old gods. It can't be taken literally when it's been explicitly stated that many Old Gods have been killed, with Y'Shaarj being "very, very, very dead."
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Well here is something very interesting, http://wow.joystiq.com/2014/05/04/kn...koa/#continued this little article talks about the Arakkoa and how they acknowledge and know of the the old gods and know of one unnamed old god.. It also goes on to say about how Anzu is supposedly tied to the Emerald Nightmare..
Looking at this article it really makes ya think there are a lot of possibilities..
Whether or not they are or aren't in a weakened state is an asinine distinction to make -- they have shown themselves to be arrogant and known to overestimate their influence/power (as seen with C'thun and Yogg-saron).
Give me concrete proof that 5 Old Gods could defeat Sargeras. Sargeras was the most powerful member of the Pantheon, which are all known to be extremely powerful Titans in their own right, but none leave 1 was really combat-oriented; most of them were creators, not destroyers. Really, the ONLY evidence that people have to say that the Old Gods were, together, powerful, was the statements from Krasus who thought that the Old Gods would be able to drive Sargeras to madness and beg for death, which has been explicitly stated by Blizzard to just be hyperbole.Even if you think it was foolish of the Old Gods to want Sargeras to be summoned so the chains binding them would be released (it really wasn't, because five old gods versus one Titan, even an insane one, would likely win)
No, they really aren't. Before we get into why, it should be said that we never even confirmed if the Titan died, don't lie and say that the war resulted in the demise of a Titan, we don't know that. The story explicitly states that both a Titan and C'thun fell, that's all. Even then, that's a rather inane thing to point out, because you are then assuming that all Titans are relatively the same strength, when we know that is untrue. That aside, it really wasn't difficult for the Titans, seeing as the Mogu, Titan constructs, were capable of killing Y'shaarj. I wouldn't be surprised if we find out that The Prophecy of C'thun was not factually correct, seeing as it was a prophecy that was created by the Qiraj Prophet Sekeram, who is known to be an important religious figure to the intelligent Qiraj.Also, I wouldn't call a massive war that resulted in the demise of a Titan to be "pretty easy." Clearly, the Titans and Old Gods are at least somewhat evenly matched, seeing as they are the only known creatures to have slain an actual Titan.
Deathknight's do it using disease, blood and the power of the unholy. Warlocks do it with dark demons by their side. Mages do it with summoned arcane powers. Druids do it using the forces of nature. Rogues do it through stealth, poison's, shadows and....from behind. Paladins do it by calling to the light for aid. Shamans do it with the help of the elements. Priests do it through the holy light.
But warriors....
Warriors just fucking do it.
Y'Shaarj's heart whispers to the players during the Siege encounter after being doused in the rejuvenating waters of the Vale... the whispers also makes mention of 'feeding' when the axe Xal'atoh, made from Y'Shaarj's power is used.
I almost wonder if Y'Shaarj might have been able to resurrect itself completely, if Garrosh hadn't been stopped - Garrosh planned to fuel his army with the heart's power, all of which would have been funneled back to the heart itself. Garrosh's transformation might only have been a prelude to a full rebirth of Y'Shaarj. That seems to have been halted now that Y'Shaarj's power is completely used up. So he was 'extremely dead'... but could still have come back to life with enough power. Maybe now he's extremely very super-dead.
The Old Gods might be in a Sauron-type situation - Sauron technically didn't and cannot die, but his power was utterly depleted and so thoroughly reduced that he's nothing now, not even a whisper on the breeze or a bad dream in the night. That's what it means for the Old Gods to be 'outside the cycle' or 'extremely dead' - they can't really die, but can be reduced, defeated, or have their bodies destroyed to the point where they're never going to be a threat to anything again.
He did but in terms of the numbers he has to throw at us he took a hit in that department that's why i said he at least thinks long term so in the end it was a fair trade. If his forces failed at the very least he makes the aspects a none factor compared to what they once were. That doesn't change he will have to regroup and muster new forces.
Funny thing is, that after the Dragon Soul events, is mentioned that the N'Zoth forces is not destroyed, but damaged. So it might be recover and some day, another takes places after Zon'Ozz and Yor'Sahj.
Also funny is fact, that cenarion circle want keep in balance Firelands and don't allow to rise a new Firelord after Ragnaros fall. I wonder throught what's happend with Skywall, since no intrest is there much.
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Y'know, speaking of Lich Kings, Arthas' body is still somewhere unknown, just lying around empty, in many ways the perfect vessel...
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