[RBG]Am I the only DK that refuses to use mic to TC?

[Deleted]

I am the type of player that excels when he listens and not when he talks. I have always refused to use a mic in all my past MMOrpgs and their PVP. Now with RBGs I still carry on the tradition; I am sitting at 1.6cr and usually play with 2.1k exp players. However there are times when I get looked down or humiliated because I do not have a mic. I still do not understand why a DK is the main TC in this game either; I have never played an MMOrpg where one class is the only class worth being vocally the target-caller so this makes no sense to me.

When I ask players why it must always be DK to TC vocally their answer is the same; "because of Death Grip". I understand so far the basics like targeting Monk and when he Bubbles switch to another healer and re-switch accordingly. BGT Addon so far for me is an excellent tool and I have no issues using it and being aware of what is going on around me. I always try to perform my best so other players have no excuse to kick me or bring me down either from having many Kills or Total Damage Done. Still my experience from other MMOrpgs dictates like classes such as Warrior or a Ranged DPS or a Tank should always do that and not a DK.

I really do not understand why it is hard for other classes to either TC vocally and switch accordingly. I really do not understand why sometimes I get this constant "lol noob DK no TS TC". If that still makes me a noob then whatever I guess. Just wanted to share my thoughts.

[dak1]

Even if you don't TC, you need to be able to communicate when your cooldowns are up, when/who you are gripping, if you're being trained, if you see somebody in a bad position, who you're CC'ing or what CC you're going to follow up on, etc. 10 people should be talking in an RBG, not 2.

[Sliippy]

I dont think you'll get much sympathy for refusing to communicate in a game that requires coordinated communication.

[Stingray0011]

because at the moment DKs have the easiest ability to grab, hold, and lock down a kill target on demand. man the fuck up, use a mic, and enjoy the free ride to 2400+ you lurp

[Tyrean]

Deleted because I was being an asshat.

[Madus]

I really do not understand why it is hard for other classes to either TC vocally and switch accordingly. I really do not understand why sometimes I get this constant "lol noob DK no TS TC". If that still makes me a noob then whatever I guess. Just wanted to share my thoughts.

Because DK is tunnel class.

• Casters dotters tab dot whole team and ccing they switch your target only when called for burst.
• Other casters tryin to land ccs all time on healers.
• Warrior usualy flag carry.
• Rogue/feral defend/offense enemy flag.
• Healers cannot TC.
• Hunter usualy def flag or its same as caster.
• DK can prepare position for nuke target, you can pull whole team to solar/ring, no1 else can do that.

imho: And yep thats the thing what suck on rbg, predestinated roles are so strong that games feel like pve .

[RoKPaNda]

Sorry OP, PvPers in this game are for some reason obsessed with screeching at each other over skype/vent/whatever.

[Spiritvs]

It's just the way it is.
Most of the groups don't even know why, they want you to Tc, because they read it online it should be like that.

I for once don't enjoy TC cause i play in Europe and English is not my main language. So yeah.. i may suck at it, just because im not fluent in english.

But if i play with my guild i have no problems in TC, cause we all speak the same :P

[orxilalo]

I see no reason for that, TS can win you games

[Tyrean]

On topic, DKs are traditionally the target callers for the reasons listed above, but mostly because of four very important aspects.

1.) DKs are the least mobile of all the classes, so whatever they can get to is the target.
2.) DKs can do very good swaps with grip, but it has to be timed correctly.
3.) DKs have a ton of burst damage that requires no setup at all.
4.) DKs are never on D, never guarding a flag and as such are always in the main battle.

As has been said above you don't want healers target calling because they might not be in the main group or their position requires them to not be able to see cooldowns and such in the main fray. You don't want ranged doing it for the most part because of the same reason..

You really want a melee because they are in the mix, they can see the backline and they know what is going on and who they can hit. DKs are traditionally the callers mostly because of obliterate kills and grip, but warriors, rogues, ret, etc work just as well.

I was even in a very good group where the holy pally called targets just because the DK was dead and he picked it up and everyone liked his style better. So yes, you play a DK you should expect to be required to target call. It is one of the roles a DK fills, but any group that knows how to play will not care who is calling targets as long as they are getting called well.

[evilman]

Ts helps but it wont make a big diffrence.
I myself dont use TS when playing with randoms and tbh rarely do it at all, to many annoying people use TS tbh.
People that have the mic open at all times and you can hear them breathing and eating, people freaking out over details etc.

A m8 of mine pugged an RBG with a guild a while ago and these 2 guys where screaming at him on TS to use a specific skill when his class doesnt have that skill or anything like it. But that wasnt the only thing that gave him the feeling that this guild doesnt have a clue.

When i use TS on a raid with m8s we dont really talk about the raid or anything. Just random talk while saving the world.

[Illiterate]

Play another class if you are too socially awkward/scared to TC. You are like the healer that doesn't heal or dispel, 100% useless.

[Deleted]

I dont think you'll get much sympathy for refusing to communicate in a game that requires coordinated communication.

^
Plus DKs have the tools to set up shit. Grip, Massgrip to name a few.
They are the bottleneck of melee mobility. Plus they have very few extra tasks outside the zerg. Imagine a rogue being the main TC - no stealth caps for you. Imagine a feral being main TC - gl keeping up with their target switching. Imagine a ranged class being main TC - unless he's rather good he has no idea of the target switching capabilities / gap closers available to the melee group.

Also, the 2.1 people you are playing with are prolly have-beens. I don't think anyone who plays at 2.1 now wants to play with a mute TC.

[Reveries1]

So lets play this out with a ranged TC.

Switching to Holy pally in 5 seconds. All melee then stop damaging there current target and start to run at the target that is being swapped to. Damage lightens up on the previous target and its obvious the new target as the melee are running at him.

Now lets look at it with a DK.
Switching to holy pally in 5 seconds. All damage is still on the current target because the melee know they dont need to drastically change there positions. After 5 seconds the DK swaps grips and all DPS can be on the new target.

Like you mentioned a DK makes the best TC because he can grip and that causes more up time for all melee. Melee in general make better TC's because they know what they can an can not reasonably swap to quickly. Ranged can swap a lot faster to targets that are not easily accessible to melee. So they can call out targets badly a lot easier.

Being a DK that refuses to TC takes a spot that could be used for a DK that is willing to TC. Its the same thing as playing with a hunter that refuses to site bases and play defense. You will be able to find groups but dont get mad at leads wanting you to perform a role your class excels at.

I will mention I've been in plenty of groups where we had amazing ranged TC's and even healer TC's. Its just a DK has the most potential. A Dk that is great at listening to the TC and gripping when swaps are called can be nearly as good as a DK TC. ooh and its usually a DK playing on an alt

[idunnowatdo]

Sorry OP, PvPers in this game are for some reason obsessed with screeching at each other over skype/vent/whatever.

its not a matter of pvpers screeching at each other (amusing how you say it like youre looking down on pvpers btw) its a game of coordination and communication is needed. That is unless op has ms cleo with him reading minds.

[Deleted]

I will mention I've been in plenty of groups where we had amazing ranged TC's and even healer TC's. Its just a DK has the most potential. A Dk that is great at listening to the TC and gripping when swaps are called can be nearly as good as a DK TC. ooh and its usually a DK playing on an alt

I met a 2.1k exp (recent) Mage and his 2.1k exp partner Warrior. Mage was Leader and his Warrior friend was TC and both of them are extremely experienced. They have been playing together for 2 years; we had 10 wins and 2 losses today and we will carry on playing together every other day. I will probably get a mic and until I can become as a good & experienced "TC" caller as his friend Warrior I will offer the best information I can.

I am not questioning the importance of using TS so do not goalpost with posts of "stop being an anti-social retard". I have used TS & Mic to co-ordinate in other MMOrpgs that were more intensely PvP-wise than World of Warcraft; but using a mic happened in exceptional situations of top-end PvP.

Specifically for me DK is the TILc; Target Is Locked caller because of his Death Grip and that is true. And in my definition, TC will always be for me a ranged DPS because he has got the vision of the field; he is simply your eyes. I would also argue that a Warrior Arms/Fury (don't remember right now which spec is best for RBG) does the best job on staying close to the target permanently due to its mobility or close-gap nature. That is not something new though; Wars/Glads have always excelled in that. Anyway the bottom line is this; in my view players have got a misconstrued idea of what a TC actually is and they perceive DK as the only class to fit that perception. So in my view people expect to be babysitted by one class when in reality with their exp they could or should easily take in charge accordingly.

Like I said the optimal way for me is to have a Leader and preferably a ranged DPS "TC" while DK just like Rogue provide additional information; "target is locked/silenced/stunned", "switching to Disc Priest and disrupt so you guys get on the focus target", ect. DKs mobility is shit (it is fine if you want to call that decent) with decent CC immunity (debatable) and short-sighted vision.

[Deleted]

First of all im not here to bash you in any way.
I just want to give you some honest opinions comming from a 2.6 experienced RBG player and leader.

I am not questioning the importance of using TS so do not goalpost with posts of "stop being an anti-social retard". I have used TS & Mic to co-ordinate in other MMOrpgs that were more intensely PvP-wise than World of Warcraft; but using a mic happened in exceptional situations of top-end PvP.

If you barely see the point of communication in rbgs then thats just because you have never really played high end pvp in world of warcraft.
Communication is absolutely necessary for both arena and rbg since it requires tons of setup-information-coordination etc.
Playing rbgs at 1600mmr might be a pure faceroll where you can rush in pop everything and play random bg mode while your enemy healers backpeddle
and hardcast in your face. But at any decent mmr it really requires all 10 people to be vocal at all times.

Specifically for me DK is the TILc; Target Is Locked caller because of his Death Grip and that is true. And in my definition, TC will always be for me a ranged DPS because he has got the vision of the field; he is simply your eyes.

So many misconceptions here, look let me be honest, anyone can tc obviously, but dks can just make it easier for everyone and thats
why its such a cliche that they HAVE to be the tc, but I mean thats what their class has tools for, so its only fair.
Like others said, a dk that refuses to tc is kinda like a hunter refusing to defend a base, their class just provides the tools to make it work best.
I understand what you mean about ranged having a broader view of the field, and that is why its important that everyone, including ranged dps,
have to be vocal and communicate about people overextending or whatever else they see. That does not make them the best targetcallers.
Targetcalling is actually not about calling a target, anyone can do that, its about calling a swap that you want all dps to follow.

The dk grip is an awesome mechanic for this because:
- your melee dps doesnt have to wiggle around in slows and roots across the field to actually get on the new target
- your ranged dps doesnt rlly have to reposition, since you will just grip the new target at the position of the old target
- any many many more
That being said someone else could also tc but then they would have to coordinate not only the swap but meanwhile also coordinate with the
dk to get the grip on the target he wants when he wants it etc, making it only harder for everyone.

Let me give you a very specific example why deathgrip swaps are a MUST.
Standard teamfight in mid on lets say eyeofthestorm, and lets say you are on some random dps near the flag.
So you have your melee dps at the flag aswell hitting that target, you have ranged dps and healers in the back (healers trying to avoid cc/lockouts/swaps).
The enemy team is most likely in a similar position....
Now what you should be doing nowadays is going for healers almost all the time, so lets say you want to swap to the enemy disc priest.
If you dont have a dk with grip tcing at that time, everything will go bad, melees will wiggle over to that healer (and overextend and prolly get rekt),
healers have to push in to keep them alive and in turn get ccd or swapped on themselves etcetc. So thats gonna be a total disaster.
Now if you have a dk tc all he needs to say is 'gripping the disc in x seconds', nobody has to get in any kind of awkward position or anything,
you just grip him in and all dps are instantly able to get on the target.

There is so much more to it ofc, but I cannot write it all on some forum post.

I would also argue that a Warrior Arms/Fury (don't remember right now which spec is best for RBG) does the best job on staying close to the target permanently due to its mobility or close-gap nature. That is not something new though; Wars/Glads have always excelled in that.

This might be half true, but is has nothing to do with targetcalling or swapping in rbgs. Completely besides the point.
Like I explained before that is not what targetcalling is about.

Anyway the bottom line is this; in my view players have got a misconstrued idea of what a TC actually is and they perceive DK as the only class to fit that perception. So in my view people expect to be babysitted by one class when in reality with their exp they could or should easily take in charge accordingly.

Dk fits it best, just like hunters are amazing defenders.
That being said.... you are making it sound like targetcalling is the most intense exhausting job in an rbg, have you ever tried leading one ?
Now thats some serious work. Targetcalling is nothing more then every 20-30 sec 'swap to x in x'
and then maybe another 5sec later you have to repeat it 'guys everyone on the freaking x'. Thats it.
I know people are very stuck in this mindset to always have a dk tc, but thats the case for almost any role in rbg.
Just deal with it mate, on the bright side you will always be in the teamfights hamming the target.
Others in your group are forced to afk at bases, heal fcs or groups while keeping everyone dispelled, cc multiple healers while still trying to push dmg
etc etc.

Like I said the optimal way for me is to have a Leader and preferably a ranged DPS "TC" while DK just like Rogue provide additional information

Like I explained before, ranged dps and healers are obviously best to provide info on everything thats going on because of their broader view.
Thats why they have to communicate with the group (including the dk tc) and thats how you all work together to win games at high mmr.

Once again I dont want to be rude, but it seems like all you want to do is silently mash buttons on the target, because
besides tcing, thats what dks do in rbgs. This is fine ofcourse but it will lead to other higher expd players not taking you seriously and you will probably
be stuck on low rating forever with that mindset.

Imagine how it feels to be a feral dps, that never even got an rbg spot besides maybe 2 seasons in mop where they were the best fcs,
and even then they were only allowed as fc. Or maybe talk to a hunter and ask how he feels every time he sees the loading screen of AB-Gilneas
and the first thing his leader says is 'alright hunter at ST/LH'. Or maybe ask a rsham how he likes getting trained 80% of the time in rbgs.


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway....
I hope I gave you a little insight into this whole 'DK HAS TO TC' thing and maybe rbgs in general without offending you.

[ponies]

You remind me of my friend Adam.
Nobody likes my friend Adam.

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Just play Yolo games if you don't want to use voice, If you want to play competitively you have to play with voice.
The TC needs VOICE!

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First of all im not here to bash you in any way.
I just want to give you some honest opinions comming from a 2.6 experienced RBG player and leader.


If you barely see the point of communication in rbgs then thats just because you have never really played high end pvp in world of warcraft.
Communication is absolutely necessary for both arena and rbg since it requires tons of setup-information-coordination etc.
Playing rbgs at 1600mmr might be a pure faceroll where you can rush in pop everything and play random bg mode while your enemy healers backpeddle
and hardcast in your face. But at any decent mmr it really requires all 10 people to be vocal at all times.


So many misconceptions here, look let me be honest, anyone can tc obviously, but dks can just make it easier for everyone and thats
why its such a cliche that they HAVE to be the tc, but I mean thats what their class has tools for, so its only fair.
Like others said, a dk that refuses to tc is kinda like a hunter refusing to defend a base, their class just provides the tools to make it work best.
I understand what you mean about ranged having a broader view of the field, and that is why its important that everyone, including ranged dps,
have to be vocal and communicate about people overextending or whatever else they see. That does not make them the best targetcallers.
Targetcalling is actually not about calling a target, anyone can do that, its about calling a swap that you want all dps to follow.

The dk grip is an awesome mechanic for this because:
- your melee dps doesnt have to wiggle around in slows and roots across the field to actually get on the new target
- your ranged dps doesnt rlly have to reposition, since you will just grip the new target at the position of the old target
- any many many more
That being said someone else could also tc but then they would have to coordinate not only the swap but meanwhile also coordinate with the
dk to get the grip on the target he wants when he wants it etc, making it only harder for everyone.

Let me give you a very specific example why deathgrip swaps are a MUST.
Standard teamfight in mid on lets say eyeofthestorm, and lets say you are on some random dps near the flag.
So you have your melee dps at the flag aswell hitting that target, you have ranged dps and healers in the back (healers trying to avoid cc/lockouts/swaps).
The enemy team is most likely in a similar position....
Now what you should be doing nowadays is going for healers almost all the time, so lets say you want to swap to the enemy disc priest.
If you dont have a dk with grip tcing at that time, everything will go bad, melees will wiggle over to that healer (and overextend and prolly get rekt),
healers have to push in to keep them alive and in turn get ccd or swapped on themselves etcetc. So thats gonna be a total disaster.
Now if you have a dk tc all he needs to say is 'gripping the disc in x seconds', nobody has to get in any kind of awkward position or anything,
you just grip him in and all dps are instantly able to get on the target.

There is so much more to it ofc, but I cannot write it all on some forum post.




This might be half true, but is has nothing to do with targetcalling or swapping in rbgs. Completely besides the point.
Like I explained before that is not what targetcalling is about.


Dk fits it best, just like hunters are amazing defenders.
That being said.... you are making it sound like targetcalling is the most intense exhausting job in an rbg, have you ever tried leading one ?
Now thats some serious work. Targetcalling is nothing more then every 20-30 sec 'swap to x in x'
and then maybe another 5sec later you have to repeat it 'guys everyone on the freaking x'. Thats it.
I know people are very stuck in this mindset to always have a dk tc, but thats the case for almost any role in rbg.
Just deal with it mate, on the bright side you will always be in the teamfights hamming the target.
Others in your group are forced to afk at bases, heal fcs or groups while keeping everyone dispelled, cc multiple healers while still trying to push dmg
etc etc.


Like I explained before, ranged dps and healers are obviously best to provide info on everything thats going on because of their broader view.
Thats why they have to communicate with the group (including the dk tc) and thats how you all work together to win games at high mmr.

Once again I dont want to be rude, but it seems like all you want to do is silently mash buttons on the target, because
besides tcing, thats what dks do in rbgs. This is fine ofcourse but it will lead to other higher expd players not taking you seriously and you will probably
be stuck on low rating forever with that mindset.

Imagine how it feels to be a feral dps, that never even got an rbg spot besides maybe 2 seasons in mop where they were the best fcs,
and even then they were only allowed as fc. Or maybe talk to a hunter and ask how he feels every time he sees the loading screen of AB-Gilneas
and the first thing his leader says is 'alright hunter at ST/LH'. Or maybe ask a rsham how he likes getting trained 80% of the time in rbgs.


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway....
I hope I gave you a little insight into this whole 'DK HAS TO TC' thing and maybe rbgs in general without offending you.

this man explained it best!

[Kahmal]

To be brutally honest there are teams that run w/o a DK and do just fine. Someone simply has to take the TC role though. However if you don't have a mic I wouldn't want to play with you period. In RBGs I can deal with lousy players, non vocal players drive me crazy, healers that don't call out for peels, defenders that don't ask for reinforcements, anyone who isn't calling out CCs to set up CC chains, and a whole lot of nuisance things that the raid leader will need to know to just strategy accordingly.

You can get away with being non vocal in a raid, it just means you can't take on certain roles of an encounter. RBGs information needs to fed to the team in realtime.

[Malgru]

if you rely on a single person to call targets for your group then your group is probably not going to win any games