The fundamental flaws with Hearthstone

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1. As a new player, you have nearly no decent cards.
2. To get decent cards you either need to spend $100+ OR grind for nearly a year
3. When you get decent cards, you beat new players with ease


The game has a horrendous barrier to entry.

Such a shame that this great little game has been ruined by economics.

[Deleted]

Meh Power Creep happens, git gud or keep whining on forums, your choice.

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The fundamental flaw with hearthstone players; the need to constantly keep recreating the thread about fundamental flaws. Doesn't matter that the same people have already created an uncounted number of threads about the same issue, and that they've had anything from half a dozen to two dozen pages of people debunking those claims and even giving plenty of advice on how to get past that "fundamental flaw."

I guess it is just too much fun to keep complaining about it.

[caractacus]

"grind for nearly a year." oh pls, enough of the hyperbole. You can put together a decent deck for free with one or two months grinding or 3+ months casual play.

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"grind for nearly a year." oh pls, enough of the hyperbole. You can put together a decent deck for free with one or two months grinding or 3+ months casual play.

No you don't understand, you need every card in the game before you can start to play the game.

[Okacz]

1. As a new player, you have nearly no decent cards.
2. To get decent cards you either need to spend $100+ OR grind for nearly a year
3. When you get decent cards, you beat new players with ease


The game has a horrendous barrier to entry.

Such a shame that this great little game has been ruined by economics.

1) Many players have reached decent ranks (10+) with basic decks easily, some managed to get legend with those. Some of the basic cards are very good and frequently picked by some of the best decks/are the top picks on arena. Notable examples: Yeti, Boulderfist Ogre, Fireball, Flamestrike, Animal Companion.
2) The "Grind for nearly a year" is just you spending time playing the game (with, as mention above, not so terrible cards). So you either spend time playing the game and "leveling" - slowly acquiring more options - or yes, pay for those cards. Which seems fair for me.
3) No, you don't. At that point you start to understand the basics of deckbuilding and stop sucking. A "deck of legends", where you have the most expensive, premium cards, loses to any common sense deck.

[The Stormbringer]

No you don't understand, you need every card in the game before you can start to play the game.

What?! Shit, I'm doing it wrong... I haven't been playing this game at all! Not since Beta or ANYTHING! /sobs

[Santti]

I recommend playing Arena. You are not restricted by what cards you have/don't have, you get to know most of the cards that way, and you get new cards for constructed. There are plenty of new players to play against with little to nothing.

Some of the better players have also demonstrated it's possible to get high in ranks with very little.

[Symphonic]

I recommend playing Arena. You are not restricted by what cards you have/don't have, you get to know most of the cards that way, and you get new cards for constructed. There are plenty of new players to play against with little to nothing.

Some of the better players have also demonstrated it's possible to get high in ranks with very little.

I agree. Arenas are my favorite part of hearthstone.

Also, I noticed your avatar. My favorite episode with the moose is when he is skiing. Lol.

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Not true, its actually become even cheaper for new people to start playing since undertaker nerf, the zoo deck wont need naxx anymore. It might not be very diverse but it does offer new players a very cheap competitive deck for ladder climbing until they amass a bigger card library. Try harder at your "i want everything handed to me for nothing" mentality.

[PuppetShowJustice]

I don't really understand the problem.

When I was playing the Pokemon TCG I...

1) Started with no cards whatsoever, which is less than what Hearthstone provided me.

2) Had to buy all my cards, which was more expensive than what Hearthstone has ever asked of me.

3) Couldn't always find someone to play against to practice, which is inferior to the play environment that Hearthstone gives me.

[PPN]

1. As a new player, you have nearly no decent cards.
2. To get decent cards you either need to spend $100+ OR grind for nearly a year
3. When you get decent cards, you beat new players with ease


The game has a horrendous barrier to entry.

Such a shame that this great little game has been ruined by economics.

Its not true, with GvG its very easy to get a deck thats ok. Especially with all the mechs...

Before GvG i never touched some classes, becausei had no cards for them. Now when you do the dailies, you get so many mechs so quick that its easily possible to geta decent deck.

What is true is, that while it can be succesfull (rank 12 with hunt with lol faceroll board deck) the only thing that sucks about is that its boring and you cant bevery versatile on you options how to play by building a deck. But then again, to uderstand some card syneries you need to have played the game for a while, its not about having legendaries in the decks.

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Not true, its actually become even cheaper for new people to start playing since undertaker nerf, the zoo deck wont need naxx anymore. It might not be very diverse but it does offer new players a very cheap competitive deck for ladder climbing until they amass a bigger card library. Try harder at your "i want everything handed to me for nothing" mentality.

On the flip side, why should someone have to spend months grinding before they can compete?

The best players in hearthstone don't have anywhere near as many intelligent players to play against because of the gated deck system.

To say you're the best at hearthstone is literally very very hollow because the amount of players competing on equal terms is very very small.

[Socialhealer]

only reason i got bored was seeing someone play a legendary and getting trashed by it, save up 1600 dust? what i need to like 1-2k for each class to make useful class spells/minions im not getting in packs then theres really important things like BGH, in the end i just felt like i wasn't earning enough dust, and got bored, i watch ppl stream HS but cba to play like 2k games to earn enough dust, for like 6 legendaries i might want.

in b4 blah blah cheap/basic decks work, maybe i don't want to play those? so i'll just watch someone who already has 20k gold and 50k dust.

[Deleted]

You can make solid legend-worthy budget deck with just a few rares and commons. That's why we see so much of cancer hunter and zoo warlock (and mech mage too). These decks are very cheap to put together. The only deck that's not really craftable by a new player is a wallet warrior.

[medievalman1]

On the flip side, why should someone have to spend months grinding before they can compete?

The best players in hearthstone don't have anywhere near as many intelligent players to play against because of the gated deck system.

To say you're the best at hearthstone is literally very very hollow because the amount of players competing on equal terms is very very small.

This word, I do not think it means what you think it means...

[Dilbon]

The biggest flaw is that there is no meaningful game mode for the average player. Arena is fun but costly and your own card collection means nothing. Constructed is pointless when you're forever stuck between ranks 20-15. And Casual is what it is.

[Sinaa]

1) Many players have reached decent ranks (10+) with basic decks easily, some managed to get legend with those. Some of the basic cards are very good and frequently picked by some of the best decks/are the top picks on arena. Notable examples: Yeti, Boulderfist Ogre, Fireball, Flamestrike, Animal Companion.

This is wrong. Nobody ever reached legend with a basic only deck. When hearthstone was really new it was possible to get to legend with for example Trump's F2P mage deck which still had faceless & a few rare cards which Trump's gotten from daily quests & a few arena runs.

Today getting even a cancerous legend worthy deck can take a month for the new player. (like you'll need a naxx wing even for hunter & a few rares etc)

[Xenryusho]

Sigh. I was hoping to see something about how swingy rng is due to the low skill cap and fact that some classes get outright stomped by others combined with the fact that you can jump 100 ratings in legend with one win/loss causing problems with the rating system.

But it's another I don't have good cards thread. People at the lower ranks don't play optimally, you don't need a tier one deck to win games and the most common varient of ladder hunter is relatively cheap. A free to play player could get enough cards to make it in a week or so, then just climb the ladder and use rewards from that to build a better deck. If you really believe that cards are the sole factor in winning or losing a game then you probably need to reevaluate how you play. You need to figure out whether you're playing control or aggro, then rework your deck to better compliment your strengths as well as counter the meta of the ladder rank you're on.

That said I wish that getting dailies didn't take so much time in hearthstone (one of the reasons I prefer solforge), but if you enjoy playing the game then this isn't really an issue... Also you always have arena if you enjoy draft to grow your collection.

[mongoose6]

I don't understand why someone thinks they should have access to the same cards as me when they have not put in the same amount of time and effort that I have.