Highest skill cap classes for PvE?

[Rob4now]

Hardest classes to play? I'm not talking about the Easy to learn, hard to master classes. I'm talking about the hard to learn, harder to master classes.
I would assume warlocks would be up there?

Alternatively, the same question for PVP?

[chuachua]

Hardest classes to play? I'm not talking about the Easy to learn, hard to master classes. I'm talking about the hard to learn, harder to master classes.
I would assume warlocks would be up there?

Alternatively, the same question for PVP?

Subtlety rogue? Pretty anal rotation with big dps losses from mistakes.

[Krazzorx]

Probably you'll get more varied responses with this in the general forums instead of R and D. And more people are there anyways.

IMO, I'd say sub rogues or feral Drood but that's just my opinion.

[Deleted]

rogues? lol no no no. Sub Rogues were simplified 6.0 along with most other high skill cap specs.

feral probably highest skill cap

[Ralahast]

I hear demo lock is up there, but i have no firsthand knowledge

[Tucci]

For a good player, any class is going to be easy to learn. For a new player, pretty much any class is going to be hard to play properly. I haven't played my alts yet this expansion so I can't comment on them, but I was surprised to learn that a spec considered easy is actually harder than previously thought. Arms warrior IMO is harder to play than fury. It's a much different playstyle than most specs. The whole spec revolves around waiting and lining up cooldowns and rage management. It's actually a lot of fun once you get into it. Glad spec is probably the most spammy spec in the game if that's what floats your boat or what you consider to be hard.

[Tojara]

Demo locks, shadow priests, feral druids and probably sub rogues.

[Muldor]

Surprised no one has mentioned WW Monks. In terms of normal rotation they aren't so bad, a lot of people complain about ChiEX management (which I personally have no issue with) but when you throw in the effective use of SeF, managing FoF to full effectiveness in terms of TeB/Proc timing while still maintaining the proper rotation and when to use abilities like FoF while using SeF on targets that are moving (since clones do not move while channeling) you watch how many peoples DPS drops like a rock because they can't manage all the buggy/bad design that comes with the class.

I'm not sure how many classes are in the zero downtime zone with WW Monks, but if you suck at micro management and don't want to develop RSI then I'm sure there are far easier classes.

[Deleted]

Of the classes I've played (Rogue, Druid, Hunter, Monk) I find Windwalker the hardest.

[sdracklryeg]

If you are still saying Feral for this question you clearly haven't played one this expansion.

This

If you were to take all specs across the game at any time, Feral was definitely the hardest, in Wrath of the Lich King

Modern Feral is ezpz

[Deleted]

Demo lock 100%

[jsz]

Sub isn't as difficult as it was in the past, unless it just clicked for me post-6.0. The hardest part about going from Combat/Assassination to Subtlety was the completely different list of spells you have to use and buffs/debuffs to track. Once you get some Weakauras to help track all these things you'd never heard of as Combat/Assassination, you can get the hang of it pretty quick.

[Vargur]

Shadow


Do you have 4 Orbs - No - Are you Moving - Yes - Is your target below 20% hp - Yes - SWD on CD - No - Cast it
Do you have 4 Orbs - No - Are you Moving - Yes - Is your target below 20% hp - Yes - SWD on CD - Yes - Mind Blast on cd - No - Cast it
Do you have 4 Orbs - No - Are you Moving - Yes - Is your target below 20% hp - Yes - SWD on CD - Yes - Mindblast on cd - Yes - Power Word Shield on CD - No - Cast it
Do you have 4 Orbs - No - Are you Moving - Yes - Is your target below 20% hp - No - SWD on CD - Yes - Mind Blast on cd - No - Cast it
Do you have 4 Orbs - No - Are you Moving - Yes - Is your target below 20% hp - No - Mind Blast on cd - No - Cast it
Do you have 4 Orbs - No - Are you Moving - Yes - Is your target below 20% hp - No - Mind Blast on cd - Yes - Power Word Shield on CD - No - Cast it


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Do you have 4 Orbs - No - Are you Moving - No - Is your target below 20% hp- Yes - SWD on CD - No - Cast it
Do you have 4 Orbs - No - Are you Moving - No - Is your target below 20% hp- Yes - SWD on CD - Yes - Mind Blast on cd - No - Cast it
Do you have 4 Orbs - No - Are you Moving - No - Is your target below 20% hp- Yes - SWD on CD - Yes - Mind Blast on cd - Yes - Cast Mind Spike
Do you have 4 Orbs - No - Are you Moving - No - Is your target below 20% hp - No - Mind Blast on cd - No - Cast it
Do you have 4 Orbs - No - Are you Moving - No - Is your target below 20% hp - No - Mind Blast on cd - Yes - Cast Mind Spike
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Do you have 4 Orbs - Yes - Begin Dot Weaving Rotation

Dot weaving rotation consists of: MB(4th orb) > MS > MS > SW:P > MB(5th orb) > VT > DP > MFI (2 ticks) > MB(3rd orb) > MFI (4 ticks) > DP > MB > MFI (2 ticks) > MFI (4 ticks) > MB > MS spam



...for one talent choice only.

[Deleted]

i play several classes, and more intensively feral (main), rogue (combat/Sub), monk and hunt (surv). All are 680-685,and i played them on brf hc clean/mythic highmaul at least

I found hunt (sv) the easiest, need to learn how to manage your focus to always have enough for importants abilities, without capping it (especially with focussing shot)

Rogue after, combat easiest than sub for basic mecanism, even if perhaps equal in difficulty if u want to correctly manage your cds and bandit guise. For sub (perhaps i found it enough easy because i played feral since BC and it's enough close, and keeping s&d/bleed up is an automatism ), u have to optimize find weakness

Feral after, lot of things to keep up and several snapshots still existing (even if easier than before, no more mangle debuff, no more trinkets snapshotting, no more thrash on ST), and the only one of these 4 classes which have to work a lot more than others for cleave/aoe.

Monk ww the hardest of the 4, i have to admit i'm still far to master it when i saw the numbers our main monk is able to push even in ST, basics are pretty simple, but mastering it ... lot of things to manage, a timing to learn, a good use of every single ring/trinket proc especially with teb and fof, a good use of sef (and not just put your images and let them alone) ...

[Overdispersion]

Shadow


Do you have 4 Orbs - No - Are you Moving - Yes - Is your target below 20% hp - Yes - SWD on CD - No - Cast it
Do you have 4 Orbs - No - Are you Moving - Yes - Is your target below 20% hp - Yes - SWD on CD - Yes - Mind Blast on cd - No - Cast it
Do you have 4 Orbs - No - Are you Moving - Yes - Is your target below 20% hp - Yes - SWD on CD - Yes - Mindblast on cd - Yes - Power Word Shield on CD - No - Cast it
Do you have 4 Orbs - No - Are you Moving - Yes - Is your target below 20% hp - No - SWD on CD - Yes - Mind Blast on cd - No - Cast it
Do you have 4 Orbs - No - Are you Moving - Yes - Is your target below 20% hp - No - Mind Blast on cd - No - Cast it
Do you have 4 Orbs - No - Are you Moving - Yes - Is your target below 20% hp - No - Mind Blast on cd - Yes - Power Word Shield on CD - No - Cast it


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Do you have 4 Orbs - No - Are you Moving - No - Is your target below 20% hp- Yes - SWD on CD - No - Cast it
Do you have 4 Orbs - No - Are you Moving - No - Is your target below 20% hp- Yes - SWD on CD - Yes - Mind Blast on cd - No - Cast it
Do you have 4 Orbs - No - Are you Moving - No - Is your target below 20% hp- Yes - SWD on CD - Yes - Mind Blast on cd - Yes - Cast Mind Spike
Do you have 4 Orbs - No - Are you Moving - No - Is your target below 20% hp - No - Mind Blast on cd - No - Cast it
Do you have 4 Orbs - No - Are you Moving - No - Is your target below 20% hp - No - Mind Blast on cd - Yes - Cast Mind Spike
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Do you have 4 Orbs - Yes - Begin Dot Weaving Rotation

Dot weaving rotation consists of: MB(4th orb) > MS > MS > SW:P > MB(5th orb) > VT > DP > MFI (2 ticks) > MB(3rd orb) > MFI (4 ticks) > DP > MB > MFI (2 ticks) > MFI (4 ticks) > MB > MS spam



...for one talent choice only.

Current CoP shadow is so ridiculously easy compared to DoT snapshot shadow.

[Ealyssa]

Shadowpriest dotweaving
Windwalker monks
Ret paladin (can troll as much as you want, perfecting the gigantic priority table is way harder than a lot of dps simplier rotation/priority)
Demo lock (easy to fail hard)

[Deleted]

Current CoP shadow is so ridiculously easy compared to DoT snapshot shadow.

There is no dot snapsohtting since 6.0 All dots react dynamically with your current stats. Only thing to snapshot for shadow priest is mind flay while insanity is up.

[Overdispersion]

There is no dot snapsohtting since 6.0 All dots react dynamically with your current stats. Only thing to snapshot for shadow priest is mind flay while insanity is up.

Yes that's why I said the shadow playstyle is so easy currently.

[Elios]

Demo lock ? wtf are you guys serious? i learned how not to suck in 10 minutes and im serious.

[Deleted]

Demo lock ? wtf are you guys serious? i learned how not to suck in 10 minutes and im serious.

Not sucking isn't hard, OP said skill cap, not skill floor.

That said, all three warlock specs feel easier compared to previous expansions due to a mix of snapshot removal and the lvl 100 talents almost universally simplifying gameplay, from SB:Haunt starving you of shards so much your usual haunt during proc gameplay is usurped by the need to keep SB:Haunt up, Demonbolt removing all of the foresight needed to minmax fury usage and serv's pet just being a raw damage increase with no input.

Few expansions ago I'd have called the class one of the harder ones to play, after WOD's changes and additions, I'm not so sure, but I've not spent much time playing other classes at any notable level to know if they've been simplified too.