Detonate Chi question?

[Sickjen]

Has any figured out how to viably use this? I've been playing around with trying to keep track of orbs count but it just seem useless any advice will help!

[Floopa]

a skill which costs mana but doesn't actually increase your HPS is a skill you should never use.

there are better ways to waste mana, like suiciding so your raid survives for 10-15 more seconds.

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On fights like Grull or Butcher Detonate Chi can be usefull, especialy if you spec in Chi Explosion. Maybe not heal for a lot but can fill the gap while gathering chi.

[DMagnum10]

Agreed with Floopa. It's not an HPS increase as the spheres detonate when they expire and heal a nearby target, anyways. I don't even keep it on my bars, there are far more valuable ways to spend your mana.

[Sickjen]

a skill which costs mana but doesn't actually increase your HPS is a skill you should never use.

there are better ways to waste mana, like suiciding so your raid survives for 10-15 more seconds.

So debating not using this spell at all now.

On fights like Grull or Butcher Detonate Chi can be usefull, especialy if you spec in Chi Explosion. Maybe not heal for a lot but can fill the gap while gathering chi.

Ok this is interesting because i thought 2 uplifts were better then a 4 chiex. Would chiex be higher in a fight like grul?

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With renewing mist is a bit harder to hit group that is needed. Chiex is maybe less heal but its more accurate. On HC first kill i go full crane stance on it.

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Only good with chi explosion and even in that case youd prefer to Chi Explo > build chi > Chi Explo > Detonate Chi in order to cut down on detonates global and mana usage as much as possible.



It's never a hps increase unless your group moves around the room a lot but..... if you were moving out of poo or something and you had a lot up you could use it as a raid heal in that situation I guess? Although it wouldn't actually be a hps gain. But maybe if someone was on 10% and you couldnt heal them while moving you could press it and pray to RNJebus that they heal him I dunno.

Just making up excuses for it at this point.

Only good with a 4 chi ChiEx

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Ok this is interesting because i thought 2 uplifts were better then a 4 chiex. Would chiex be higher in a fight like grul?

At the moment if you're in crane with chi explo it has insane output when used at 4 chi with detonate chi. But you do like 80% overhealing which puts it below uplift most of the time. There are logs of people doing 70-80k hps without leaving crane on butcher mythic and by using chiex. But they have the entire raid stacked in melee and get 0 overhealing.
So that's essentially doing a really dumb raid tactic that happens to make ChiEx OP


The crane version of chi explo is being nerfed in 6.1 & the serpent version of it buffed. Serpent version should be decent in 6.1 especially since chi explosion will be castable inside soothing mist. Means you can cheese 4 chi ChiExplos with 2 set. Should be good on some fights where it doesn't overheal. Maybe Gruul... blast furnace. Or maybe it'll be terrible. *shrugs*

[Sickjen]

Only good with chi explosion and even in that case youd prefer to Chi Explo > build chi > Chi Explo > Detonate Chi in order to cut down on detonates global and mana usage as much as possible.



It's never a hps increase unless your group moves around the room a lot but..... if you were moving out of poo or something and you had a lot up you could use it as a raid heal in that situation I guess? Although it wouldn't actually be a hps gain. But maybe if someone was on 10% and you couldnt heal them while moving you could press it and pray to RNJebus that they heal him I dunno.

Just making up excuses for it at this point.

Only good with a 4 chi ChiEx

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At the moment if you're in crane with chi explo it has insane output when used at 4 chi with detonate chi. But you do like 80% overhealing which puts it below uplift most of the time. There are logs of people doing 70-80k hps without leaving crane on butcher mythic and by using chiex. But they have the entire raid stacked in melee and get 0 overhealing.
So that's essentially doing a really dumb raid tactic that happens to make ChiEx OP


The crane version of chi explo is being nerfed in 6.1 & the serpent version of it buffed. Serpent version should be decent in 6.1 especially since chi explosion will be castable inside soothing mist. Means you can cheese 4 chi ChiExplos with 2 set. Should be good on some fights where it doesn't overheal. Maybe Gruul... blast furnace. Or maybe it'll be terrible. *shrugs*

Thanks spin i appreciate the insight, do you think chiex will be good in 6.1 for serpent stance?

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Thanks spin i appreciate the insight, do you think chiex will be good in 6.1 for serpent stance?

I'm a lazy guy and never touched PTR so I'm speculating. But if it works with the 2 set which I'm fairly sure it will, then it could be something we spec into on some fights I'd imagine.

I literally haven't touched gameplay outside of PoM/RJW since wod hit but I'm really hoping chiex and torpedo come out as strong talents to bring some better choice and more variety of skillful gameplay beyond timing with Pool of mist.


Balanced 90 and 100 talents would make us much more versatile. Mw feels like a bit of a 1 trick pony at the moment