[Movie] Warcraft (June 2016)

[Zoaric]

Look up Grom Hellscream lore, everything else claiming they were tricked.

What are you even trying to say here?

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

I'm not too excited for it, but a lot of friends who play games like CoD or console shit, but never wow, or are huge fans of GoT and LotR were pretty excited when they saw the trailer.

I am with you though, the CGI looks very fake.
Doesn't matter much to me, I don't pay for movies. I'll see it eventually but not worried about it.

[Tyrean]

I feel like it should be said that Hollywood is in a bit of flux right now. There are a lot of movies that get made now only to have a token release in the states to make a little money and go on to do huge numbers in China, Europe and other places in the world. This movie will make money, but it might "tank" here in the states but make tons of cash in China or South Korea.

Now a days Hollywood sometimes knows they are making shit stinkers, but they also know it will make tons of money over investment. They are not in the business of making art, they are in the business of making money.

[Yourfired]

Saw the trailer during the Broncos vs. Patriots game. Not sure if that's the first time it's been aired or not - haven't been keeping up to date with WoW at all lately. But, sitting amongst friends and family that know I used to play WoW, I felt the immediate need to apologize and remind them I no longer play and I, too, think the movie looks awful as they were all mocking and laughing at the footage. Since it's officially on TV can people finally admit it's not a "leak" or in "pre-production" and that it's going to be the biggest flop this summer?



C'mon...

So you are a film critic? Or a movie director? Why do people Always talk shit about stuff they dont even know anything about? Unless you saw the WHOLE movie you can`t Judge anything about it PERIOD.

[CthulhuFhtagn]

Try reading, comprehension is a standard subject in elementary school. They will be treated as victims, not that I believe they are.

Don't be an asshole just because your claims don't hold up. But fine, it you wanna be pedantic - orcs won't be treated like victims. Apart from the Frostwolves, the rest of the Horde is just as bloodthirsty as it was in the original lore. Frostwolves have always been opposed to what the Horde did, except in this version Durotan actually tries to do something about it instead of being useless and then assassinated.

[TheDestinatus]

What are you even trying to say here?

http://blizzardwatch.com/2015/07/06/...-of-mannoroth/

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment..._of_grom_and/?

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/History_of_the_Horde

First 3 references in a google search. The Orcs are told they will be conquerors just like in WoD only they didn't have Garrosh to stop them. However the story that they were tricked is to make the Orcs seem like victims. They weren't, its not like Gul'dan told them "YOU WILL BE GARDENERS!!!" and they all agreed to taste his new fruit punch. They are the aggressors, they always were.

[Redroniksre]

Thing is if you are going to see this movie with the idea that it will be lore-friendly, that won't happen and you will be disappointed. Just have to go in expecting a Warcraft-themed film and that is about it.

[Zoaric]

So you are a film critic? Or a movie director? Why do people Always talk shit about stuff they dont even know anything about? Unless you saw the WHOLE movie you can`t Judge anything about it PERIOD.

Well that's just absurd. Any bit of anything can be judged on its own. It just doesn't
necessarily hold water.

[Zoaric]

*SNIP*

First 3 references in a google search. The Orcs are told they will be conquerors just like in WoD only they didn't have Garrosh to stop them. However the story that they were tricked is to make the Orcs seem like victims. They weren't, its not like Gul'dan told them "YOU WILL BE GARDENERS!!!" and they all agreed to taste his new fruit punch. They are the aggressors, they always were.

They're still going through with the express purpose of conquering another land...
why else would their warriors accept Gul'dan's gift (turning them green) unless
they were intending to fight?

[Kathranis]

So you're suggesting it doesn't happen at all based upon that section?

No. I'm suggesting that there's more to the film than the 30 seconds of footage in the trailer.

Given how many twists there are, it's likely that most of the footage in the trailer is from the first 40 minutes or so. There's a lot they're not showing.

The trailer merely establishes that the orcs and humans are about to go to war with each other, and that there are a few on each side who want to try and stop this from happening. If I had to guess, almost everything in the trailer is from the first two acts.

Unless they massively retcon the storyline, we know that most of the negotiations will ultimately fail. They'll succeed in killing Medivh, the secret big bad traitor... but by the end of the movie, Llane will be dead by Garona's hand, the orcs will conquer Stormwind, Durotan and Draka will be exiled if not killed, and essentially everything will go to shit.

[Sky High]

/shrug fuck all yall I'm still going to see it opening night. I think it looks entertaining, not going to be hung up on how goofy one baby Orc looks.

[TheDestinatus]

They're still going through with the express purpose of conquering another land...
why else would their warriors accept Gul'dan's gift (turning them green) unless
they were intending to fight?

except in this version Durotan actually tries to do something about it instead of being useless and then assassinated.

Which is teaching the wrong story, therefore enforcing it as the right story. Durotan did nothing, he was Green and he ran and hid. Thats his lore. The fact he covered half a continent to do it in a world he knew nothing about through territory owned by the Orcs, Dwarves and Humans is an issue of its own. No one watching the movie is going to think, "this is an alternate reality of course, thats why its different", its going to be considered the correct story, the only story no matter how much of the original story it rewrites.

[Sentynel]

You forgot to include *IN MY OPINION* in the title.

[Zoaric]

Which is teaching the wrong story, therefore enforcing it as the right story. Durotan did nothing, he was Green and he ran and hid. Thats his lore. The fact he covered half a continent to do it in a world he knew nothing about through territory owned by the Orcs, Dwarves and Humans is an issue of its own. No one watching the movie is going to think, "this is an alternate reality of course, thats why its different", its going to be considered the correct story, the only story no matter how much of the original story it rewrites.

By outsiders? Yes. Just like with comic books and their movies.

[Schattenlied]

Sadly this is true.

Prince of Persia was bearable because of Gemma Arterton's tits but still excruciating.
Tomb Raiders all shit.
All Hitman and Resident Evil films dire.

Not looking like this will buck the trend.
CGI looks amateurish honestly. Still it's just a trailer so maybe it'll be better than expected.
Deffo waiting for critics to have their say.

Whenever the topic of bad video game movies comes up, I am always surprised that no one ever mentiones the atrocity that was Doom... People think the retcon in the WoW movie is bad? Literally the only thing that the Doom movie had in common with the games was the location, Mars... They even went and made the "monsters" some bullshit genetic mutation... It's supposed to be about fucking Demons, because the UAC was experimenting with teleportation and opened a fucking portal to Hell, literally HELL... And no one ever mentions it.

[Irian]

Durotan doesnt even take part in the first war, he hides out in Alteric Valley until after Doomhammer kills Blackhand, plans to kill Gul'dan and then get assassinated with his wife in the forest leaving thrall alone to be captured and raised by humans as a Slave, so nothing like the movie seen in the trailer

The orcs should all be green at this point, even Durotan who did not partake in the drinking of the blood of Manoroth because of the defilement of the elements and the land that their peoples lived on, unlike the movie

King Llane has been at war with the orcs since he was 6 years old in the lore, essentially before he was even king, not just discovering them as a threat as a full grown adult, unlike the movie

Gryphons are not used by the Alliance until the dwarves decided to ally with the humans after the start of the war, unlike in the movie which shows no dwarves

The frostwolves are banished and would be killed on sight by the horde, not allowed to waltz in and try to change what Gul'dans horde is trying to accomplish

All of this is from a 2:45 trailer so I'm sure there will be a lot more when the movie comes out.

You have to separate semantics that could never be explained/fleshed out in a movie or is even worth doing so, such as gryphons being the mounts of the dwarves originally, or the time acceleration to make this movie fit into the second war's plot more accurately. If you're expecting that kind of level of attention to detail then you must've been considerably disappointed by past lore.

As far as Durotan goes, that's the one point I noticed but I can honestly see why they did it and I also think Durotan's general absence from the war entirely and moving to Alterac is an easy canvas to build a story off of him.

And as far as the skin goes....I don't think that's really wrong, but rather that (i'm hoping anyway) that exposure and time turns Durotan green as well, so we can see in the movie itself that orcs change. If not then yeah, I don't get it.

Orcs leave to Azeroth because Draenor is dying, this is not true. The planet was fine until the demons started empowering the Orcs to commit genocide. The Orcs are the sole reason for the destruction and massacre of civilisations across two planets and no amount of late entry bleeding heart lore changes any of that. You may as well go back and blame the US for Japan bombing Pearl Harbor because the US nuked them twice first. The order of events was established, rewriting them is just disingenuous and accepting that instead of enforcing the known narrative just leaves you open to blatant deceitful story telling, and everyone rushing to absorb the new information as fat dairy cash cows who they have no respect for what so ever.

The reason why the planet was dying is irrelevant. Yes, the original reason - and you can look back on any source of lore you want - for the orcs leaving is that their planet was dying due to Gul'dan and his allies twisting Draenor and destroying the world. There are plenty of sources for this so I don't even really feel like it justifies citing a source at all.

Of course it's the orcs' faults, but that's kind of semantics. Not every orc is a warlock and in fact most were simply being led like sheep into believing their only option for survival was the destruction of this planet. With the demon taint, this was an easy sell.

[Deleted]

Heck Shrek1 had better graphics

[Super Kami Dende]

Saw the trailer during the Broncos vs. Patriots game. Not sure if that's the first time it's been aired or not - haven't been keeping up to date with WoW at all lately. But, sitting amongst friends and family that know I used to play WoW, I felt the immediate need to apologize and remind them I no longer play and I, too, think the movie looks awful as they were all mocking and laughing at the footage. Since it's officially on TV can people finally admit it's not a "leak" or in "pre-production" and that it's going to be the biggest flop this summer?



C'mon...

Hahaha wow. Must suck being that insecure about yourself as a person. My condolences.

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Whenever the topic of bad video game movies comes up, I am always surprised that no one ever mentiones the atrocity that was Doom... People think the minor retcon in the WoW movie is bad? Literally the only thing that the Doom movie had in common with the games was the location, Mars... They even went and made the "monsters" some bullshit genetic mutation... It's supposed to be about fucking Demons, because the UAC was experimenting with teleportation and opened a fucking portal to Hell, literally HELL... And no one ever mentions it.

I think no one mentions it because they want to forget that a possibly awesome movie was ruined by a company being too scared to show Hell to Americans.

[Alvito]

Movies from video games have an abysmal track record

Most are shit. From time to time we end up with a Resident Evil that keeps on going.

[TheDestinatus]

By outsiders? Yes. Just like with comic books and their movies.

Foresight isn't hard. It happens all the time, The Beyond the Dark Portal book skips over the fact that the Orcs destroyed Dalaran City because it doesn't describe Orgrim doing it during the second war, but later on Gorefiend sends people to get the Eye of Dalaran - http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Eye_of_Dalaran - Which was created for the rebuilding of Dalaran city, Dalaran City was called "The Violet Citadel" in WC2, in WoW the Violet Citadel refers to 1 structure.

So I have people argue with me that the Orcs never invaded Dalaran at all because its not in the book, and if it did the Orcs they only destroyed one building. I know it happened, it happened in the game which is the actual driving force for the entire concept that is Warcraft and no developer has ever said it didn't. There is an item Ner'zhul used to open multiple portals on Draenor specifically designed to rebuild Dalaran which is directly linked to the event. Now explain to me how it all fits now that Dalaran is always flying? Because thats just another layer of retcon required to explain to people "I saw it in the movie, movies are canon, everything is canon, must be true!!!"

They should know better but instead they just keep rewriting the story for the lowest common denominator, when the original story was just fine and its the reason the game is popular in the first place. They keep changing the story, changing the rules and the sub numbers keep going down and this movie is just another fine example of back tracking and retconning when it wasn't required.