[Movie] Warcraft (June 2016)

[Zulkhan]

Nope, Orgrim taking control over the Horde and leading them to Blackrock Mountain would be the ending.

It still calls for a sequel, it's not a satisfying ending.

On the end of the day, the difference is meager.

[Zoaric]

They wouldn't form an Alliance until the city falls. And Stormwind wouldn't be properly avenged until the third movie, so there is that tension, it's just not a cliffhanger.

The bad guys winning isn't a cliffhanger, it's just a lack of a cop-out. It'd be like ending
Empire on a happy note rather than a somber one. Also, it seems they do form
the Alliance in this movie, during Llane's funeral. There's no other reason for Duncan
to have recorded 'For the Alliance!' at Blizzcon. THAT is a cliffhanger.

[Jshadowhunter]

None of them can activate it and the humans wouldn't let them anyway, they're cut off from their homeworld, that should be enough for them to be angry, and Orgrim has to do what's best for his people.

And you know Orgrim WILL have to compromise with Gul'dan, just as he has when he created the 1st Deathknights, since they were the only way to counter Dalaran's mages, so if he doesn't want to get reckt by the overwhelming enemy, he'll have to allow Gul'dan to re open the portal. And he need prisoners, not corpses.

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one movie is more than enough for warcraft 3. a good script that incorporates the most important parts from all three campaigns.

NOPE. Sorry, but that's BvS mentality and I don't want it to go there. And it's exactly what Rob said it the worst ting to do, to destile several hours of story into 2h movie.

[Harbour]

Btw if we will look at WC2/ToD Second War without "fan"'s glasses, we will see that story structure of it will remind us Two Towers/Return of the King stor structure.
-Love Story of Human/Elf? Checked.
-One Kingdom need the help of other Kingdom(s)? Checked.
-There is betrayer on the human's side? Checked.
-Main battle is the Capital assault? Checked.
-Final battle is the battle on the "slopes of the mountain of doom"? Checked.
-Happy End? Human get Elf chick? Checked.

And some little detailes like "Turalyon picked up Lothar's sword and defeat the Enemy". As a fan id like it to be adapted word in word with original. But if to think critically, there are to many key story parallels with LotR, there is almost nothing new that can be added to the world building except Deathwing, Paladins and Death Knights, and the story itself is uneasy to be converted into Good vs Good conflict, Jones likes.

So most likely if there will be WC2 adaptation, it will be reworked much more than WC1 story.

[Soulwind]

The bad guys winning isn't a cliffhanger, it's just a lack of a cop-out. Also, it seems
they do form the Alliance in this movie, during Llane's funeral. There's no other
reason for Duncan to have recorded 'For the Alliance!' at Blizzcon. THAT is a cliffhanger.

They may establish that the council of the different kingdoms was already called the Alliance even before the orc invasion. It just didn't mean they were supposed to fight together.

Btw if we will look at WC2/ToD Second War without "fan"'s glasses, we will see that story structure of it will remind us Two Towers/Return of the King stor structure.
-Love Story of Human/Elf? Checked.
-One Kingdom need the help of other Kingdom(s)? Checked.
-There is betrayer on the human's side? Checked.
-Main battle is the Capital assault? Checked.
-Final battle is the battle on the "slopes of the mountain of doom"? Checked.
-Happy End? Human get Elf chick? Checked.

And some little detailes like "Turalyon picked up Lothar's sword and defeat the Enemy". As a fan id like it to be adapted word in word with original. But if to think critically, there are two many story parallels with LotR, there is almost nothing new that can be added to the world building except Deathwing, Paladins and Death Knights, and the story itself is uneasy to be converted into Good vs Good conflict, Jones likes.

So most likely if there will be WC2 adaptation, it will be reworked much more than WC1 story.

I think he'll make the difference between Orgrim and Rend + Zuluhed very clear, almost dividing the Horde into two factions. Otherwise he wouldn't be able to tell a relatable story from both sides.

[Sakorath67]

If we knew Universal/Legendary were on board for sequels, then I would say Stormwind burning is 100% going to be in the movie. It would be the easiest way to get people back into the seats for a second movie. However, neither Duncan nor Universal/Legendary have mentioned anything to suggest the sequel is anywhere remotely on their calendars - so that makes me a little worrisome that it will not be included.

[Zulkhan]

one movie is more than enough for warcraft 3. a good script that incorporates the most important parts from all three campaigns.

The games themselves aren't the greatest source for the movies, the novels are. WC3 got at least two novels (Lord of the Clans and Rise of the Lich King) depicting in a far richer manner the events of WC3. Heck, WC1 just had one novel (The Last Guardian) is by far the less rich and inspiring story and yet a whole movie is needed to tell it.

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I may be wrong, but didn't the orcs use the Stormwind docks to build their first naval attack force and sail north for the second war?

[Wikiy]

Nope, Orgrim taking control over the Horde and leading them to Blackrock Mountain would be the ending.

Oh. Fair enough. ^^

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If we knew Universal/Legendary were on board for sequels, then I would say Stormwind burning is 100% going to be in the movie. It would be the easiest way to get people back into the seats for a second movie. However, neither Duncan nor Universal/Legendary have mentioned anything to suggest the sequel is anywhere remotely on their calendars - so that makes me a little worrisome that it will not be included.

Duncan Jones has repeatedly stated they have a rough idea for a trilogy mapped out if this movie does well, and he'd return to direct the sequels after finishing his sci-fi project "Mute"

[Zoaric]

They may establish that the council of the different kingdoms was already called the Alliance even before the orc invasion. It just didn't mean they were supposed to fight together.

If they're not there to aid one another in times of war, then they're not really much
of an alliance. And it's still really lame to shout 'For the Alliance!' then end the movie.
It just feels abrupt. It's something said before something epic happens, not as a final
cry, meaning it not only annoys regular audiences, but Warcraft fans.

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I completely fail to see the reason of why they wouldn't show the Stormwind burning for one simple reason, baby Go'el. Thrall is already a cliffhanger by himself, it already builds up for sequels.

[Zulkhan]

-Main battle is the Capital assault? Checked.

The battle of Quel'Thalas is likely a bigger battle of the one in Capital City. The latter is basically screwed by Gul'dan's betrayal.

-Happy End? Human get Elf chick? Checked.

Not really, the Turalyon/Alleria relationship is much more...turbolent.

I overall agree with the main point though. Granted, the Second War has a far better and developed story of the First one but I have no doubt it would be partially reworked.

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I may be wrong, but didn't the orcs use the Stormwind docks to build their first naval attack force and sail north for the second war?

They changed that. The goblins (the non-lore Warcraft RPG books used the Steamweedle Cartel) built the Horde war machines during the Second War.

[Sakorath67]

Yeah, I know they have drawn out an idea. However, that still leaves probably 4-5 years between Warcraft 1 and 2 (even if it happens) - Would it make sense to end it with SW burning?

[Harbour]

Also its interesting to think about Khadgar's future in the movie universe. I mean, he shouldnt be involved in the WC3 story. So there are two options:
1)He will be killed off somewhere in the sequels before WC3 adaptation.
2)He will go BotDP route.

What i mean. Khadgar should disappear for a long time. How can they make him do it without WC2 or BotDP adaptation?

Third option? I dont know. What i know is that he should live, and his death (for example) from the hands of mad Arthas during assault of Dalaran will drive me and many fans mad. So what the option?

[Sakorath67]

Also its interesting to think about Khadgar's future in the movie universe. I mean, he shouldnt be involved in the WC3 story. So there are two options:
1)He will be killed off somewhere in the sequels before WC3 adaptation.
2)He will go BotDP route.

What i mean. Khadgar should disappear for a long time. How can they make him do it without WC2 or BotDP adaptation?

Third option? I dont know. What i know is that he should live, and his death (for example) from the hands of mad Arthas during assault of Dalaran will drive me and man fans mad. So what the option?

Yes. They would most definitely have to explain where Khadgar and Turalyon/Alleria went. Could be at the end of Warcraft 2, after the Battle at Blackrock.

It could be included as a side story of Warcraft 2. Lothar rebuilding and war, Khadgar assembling people to destroy portal, Thrall development.

[Soulwind]

Also its interesting to think about Khadgar's future in the movie universe. I mean, he shouldnt be involved in the WC3 story. So there are two options:
1)He will be killed off somewhere in the sequels before WC3 adaptation.
2)He will go BotDP route.

What i mean. Khadgar should disappear for a long time. How can they make him do it without WC2 or BotDP adaptation?

Third option? I dont know. What i know is that he should live, and his death (for example) from the hands of mad Arthas during assault of Dalaran will drive me and many fans mad. So what the option?

But... it's likely they'll make Beyond the Dark Portal. They wouldn't introduce the character if they were going to get rid of him for the sequels.

[Zoaric]

Also its interesting to think about Khadgar's future in the movie universe. I mean, he shouldnt be involved in the WC3 story. So there are two options:
1)He will be killed off somewhere in the sequels before WC3 adaptation.
2)He will go BotDP route.

What i mean. Khadgar should disappear for a long time. How can they make him do it without WC2 or BotDP adaptation?

Third option? I dont know. What i know is that he should live, and his death (for example) from the hands of mad Arthas during assault of Dalaran will drive me and many fans mad. So what the option?

"A bunch of our best heroes left to fight on the orc home world. Guess we'll have
to do things without them." There. Now that story can be told as another movie or
partially in flashbacks later.

Or they could just make the movie.

[Soulwind]

"A bunch of our best heroes left to fight on the orc home world. Guess we'll have
to do things without them." There. Now that story can be told as another movie or
partially in flashbacks later.

Or they could just make the movie.

I still think they could make both stories happen at the same time. Half of the Second War and the expedition in one movie, the battle of Blackrock and the destruction of Draenor for another.

Sure, Turalyon can't be in both places, but they could choose which of the battles is more important for the character and put him there. He's the only character who's relevant for both wars, isn't he?