[Movie] Warcraft (June 2016)

[Raetary]

So one of my friends went and watch Captain America last night and I asked him if they showed a Warcraft trailer. This was what he told me today:



Sooo... yay? XD

sounds like he didnt really like it.
btw
GRYPHON PEOPLE! ITS CALLED A GRYPHON!

[Deleted]

So one of my friends went and watch Captain America last night and I asked him if they showed a Warcraft trailer. This was what he told me today:



Sooo... yay? XD

very detailed lol

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Premiere announced

http://blizzheart.com/en/wow/world-p...the-grand-rex/

[quras]

sounds like he didnt really like it.
btw
GRYPHON PEOPLE! ITS CALLED A GRYPHON!

I have to admit I thought everyone knew what a griffin was these days.

[MrTharne]

Premiere announced

http://blizzheart.com/en/wow/world-p...the-grand-rex/

Thanks. Just booked my ticket

[Tornwar]

As soon as we can, I will book 3 tickets for me and my friends, so we are PREPARED! And I will get us the best seats if possible! ... where exactly is the best seats? XD

[Zulkhan]

People are probably complaining about it because it's a very symbolic, powerful and interesting scene.

Yeah, but that's the point. It's symbolic. It does nothing about making certain plot aspects clearer, at least not during the First or even Second War.

When the blood drinking mattered? In Warcraft 3, with Grom and all the storyline with Mannoroth and his ultimate sacrifice.

Oh I think you are vastly underselling it's importance to the orcs and how it defines them for the years to come.

I think you're coming up with self-fabricated reasons and little more. But let's see.

Not only their motives for coming through the portal to start

Their reason to come through the portal is because Fel magic was killing the planet. There's also the mention that bloodlust is driving orcs to attack each other, but is still strongly rooted to the fact that resources on Draenor became more and more scarce and people started to attack one another to ensure each own survival. So in the end, Draenor dying remains the main point. It's the Horde a corrupted, fel-driven war machine at such point? Yes, so is in the movie.

with but the underlying goal of a greater evil that controls them. IT's not gul'dans power that motivates orcs at that point its demons and demons blood.
That doesn't require hours of setup time in the movie.

There's no "greater evil" controlling the orcs' actions in the First and Second Wars. The bloodlust is a side-effect of Mannoroth's blood but Mannoroth had no direct role nor control over the orcs. I mean, he could have controlled them but he didn't care, no one in the Legion cared. At that point, it was all about Gul'dan manipulating his people and Medivh (aka Sargeras) acting indipendently, supporting Gul'dan's actions for his own agenda. That's it, that's the plot of the First War. The Legion, the demons, Mannoroth, Kil'jaeden, even Ner'zhul. They don't matter at all in this scenario.

If you don't think there is a basis for keeping drinking demon blood out because of China then you haven't done enough reading on how movies are scrutinized there.

The validity or not of this argument matters relatively when your reasons to deem a certain lore aspect more important than it actually is are fundamentally flawed.

[Zoaric]

Orgrim getting mad at me for talking about him all the time

/tencharacters

[quras]

Yeah, but that's the point. It's symbolic. It does nothing about making certain plot aspects clearer, at least not during the First or even Second War.
When the blood drinking mattered? In Warcraft 3, with Grom and all the storyline with Mannoroth and his ultimate sacrifice.

Why did the orcs come to Azeroth?
What was their driving reason and force behind them and Gul'dan?
What gave them the power to pull off what they accomplished at teh time?

Demons and their influence as well as mannoroths blood cocktail.

I think you're coming up with self-fabricated reasons and little more. But let's see.

Self-fabricated wow lore. Yea sorry.

Down playing the demons role in what the orcs do is a cop out in story telling and presenting a warped version of wow.

Their reason to come through the portal is because Fel magic was killing the planet. There's also the mention that bloodlust is driving orcs to attack each other, but is still strongly rooted to the fact that resources on Draenor became more and more scarce and people started to attack one another to ensure each own survival. So in the end, Draenor dying remains the main point. It's the Horde a corrupted, fel-driven war machine at such point? Yes, so is in the movie.

That is a reason yes but it all stims from demon influence. Gul'dan, the fel magic from warlocks and then the ultimate nail in the coffin: Drinking demons blood for power. Dreanor dying is a direct result from demon influence to the orcs. It's why they are doing what they are doing. Not somehting I can see skipping. It's a more important moment in orc lore than just the fel magic.

There's no "greater evil" controlling the orcs' actions in the First and Second Wars. The bloodlust is a side-effect of Mannoroth's blood but Mannoroth had no direct role nor control over the orcs. I mean, he could have controlled them but he didn't care, no one in the Legion cared. At that point, it was all about Gul'dan manipulating his people and Medivh (aka Sargeras) acting indipendently, supporting Gul'dan's actions for his own agenda. That's it, that's the plot of the First War. The Legion, the demons, Mannoroth, Kil'jaeden, even Ner'zhul. They don't matter at all in this scenario.

and all of that revolves around what? The bloodlust from the blood and what was done to the Orcs. While not direct mindcontrolled it was his influence over Gul'dan that turned them into the agents of the demons paving the way for the burning legion to return to azeroth. Gul'dan helped mannoroth accomplish mannoroths goal. I think the passage goes along with how that corruption spread to nearly ever orc and it led them to their goal of getting to azeroth.

Thats not something to skip over in my eyes. That is important story telling in orcs and why they do what they do. That is not some trivial story moment to be shown as a flashback later or a squeal that may never happen.

The validity or not of this argument matters relatively when your reasons to deem a certain lore aspect more important than it actually is are fundamentally flawed.

Your statement alone shows how little you know of marketing movies in China and just how China affects movie production. I would bet money China is more of a reason you will never see demon blood drinking in a warcraft movie than any BS Kazinsky or company says abput when their "story" takes place.

Again, you downplay the importance of what happens to orcs and their connection to demons. They are the entire reason it all happens.

[Deleted]

So one of my friends went and watch Captain America last night and I asked him if they showed a Warcraft trailer. This was what he told me today:



Sooo... yay? XD

Went to see Civil War last night, there's no new trailer being shown.

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^^ Please stop ..

[Tornwar]

Went to see Civil War last night, there's no new trailer being shown.

Remember that it is the cinemas who decide what to show before movies in cinemas, not the marketing. So there is a trailer going around, but who knows if it is the PAX or any of the older ones?

[SirRice]

That is a reason yes but it all stims from demon influence. Gul'dan, the fel magic from warlocks and then the ultimate nail in the coffin: Drinking demons blood for power. Dreanor dying is a direct result from demon influence to the orcs. It's why they are doing what they are doing. Not somehting I can see skipping. It's a more important moment in orc lore than just the fel magic.
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and all of that revolves around what? The bloodlust from the blood and what was done to the Orcs. While not direct mindcontrolled it was his influence over Gul'dan that turned them into the agents of the demons paving the way for the burning legion to return to azeroth. Gul'dan helped mannoroth accomplish mannoroths goal. I think the passage goes along with how that corruption spread to nearly ever orc and it led them to their goal of getting to azeroth.

The problem is that if we follow the line of thought of introducing things that are related and important to explaining the 'why' of everything, even when they are not relevant to the plot of the actual movie... it would have to be done with everything that is an important part of 'why'.

Sargeras, the Pantheon, the Void Lords, the draenei and Kil'Jaeden/Archimonde, all those things are an essential part of why the orcs do what they do. In the film, knowing what Sargeras does know, and who he is, is as relevant as the blood drinking towards the plot.
It explains 'why' the stuff that is happening is happening, but it would be a waste of time introducing so much stuff that is totally irrelevant inside the movie's story, regardless of how important it is for the whole universe's lore and the explanation of 'why'.

If you want to make the argument of 'We need to explain the background of why the orcs are doing what they are doing, regardless of it being relevant in the plot of the movie', you should go all the way, and want them to introduce the demons. And the why of the demons, since the Burning Legion is an essential part of orc lore, and orc lore and why they do stuff makes no sense without the Legion.

[Soulwind]

That's actually well made and interesting. Hopefully they make one for each character.

[quras]

The problem is that if we follow the line of thought of introducing things that are related and important to explaining the 'why' of everything, even when they are not relevant to the plot of the actual movie... it would have to be done with everything that is an important part of 'why'.

Sargeras, the Pantheon, the Void Lords, the draenei and Kil'Jaeden/Archimonde, all those things are an essential part of why the orcs do what they do. In the film, knowing what Sargeras does know, and who he is, is as relevant as the blood drinking towards the plot.
It explains 'why' the stuff that is happening is happening, but it would be a waste of time introducing so much stuff that is totally irrelevant inside the movie's story, regardless of how important it is for the whole universe's lore and the explanation of 'why'.

If you want to make the argument of 'We need to explain the background of why the orcs are doing what they are doing, regardless of it being relevant in the plot of the movie', you should go all the way, and want them to introduce the demons. And the why of the demons, since the Burning Legion is an essential part of orc lore, and orc lore and why they do stuff makes no sense without the Legion.

Not necessarily true. Just like sauron in LoTR. You don't need to know his background or the background of ones like him but knowing him is enough to push the story and he is/was the driving force behind the orcs and war. Not totally in control of them but the mastermind. His plan and his goal and you know it from teh beginning. That is no different than what we see here.

You have to see why the orcs are doing what they are doing. Why is Gul'dan so hell bent in the agenda he is pushing. It's because of demons and he is being pushed by his master. It's a safe bet to say none of the story would have happened with their influence. I can't see that as skippable information. I'm not sure how you can even even say its not the plot. It may not be the major plot of the movie but damn none of it would have happened without it.

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Love the CGI for that "I am Durotan" part.

[Arrowstormen]

[video=youtube;-VjRo3gnVJU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VjRo3gnVJU[ideo]
Love the CGI for that "I am Durotan" part.

"I'm here to save my people from corruption and kick ass. And I'm all out of none-corrupted people."

[Soulwind]

Not necessarily true. Just like sauron in LoTR. You don't need to know his background or the background of ones like him but knowing him is enough to push the story and he is/was the driving force behind the orcs and war. Not totally in control of them but the mastermind. His plan and his goal and you know it from teh beginning. That is no different than what we see here.

You have to see why the orcs are doing what they are doing. Why is Gul'dan so hell bent in the agenda he is pushing. It's because of demons and he is being pushed by his master. It's a safe bet to say none of the story would have happened with their influence. I can't see that as skippable information. I'm not sure how you can even even say its not the plot. It may not be the major plot of the movie but damn none of it would have happened without it.

It wouldn't have happened without the Void Lords either, since Sargeras creates the Burning Legion to fight them, should the movie also explain what are those?

Gul'dan's "death magic" is killing the world, that will probably be revealed in the movie, aswell as him having some mysterious master. That's all you need to explain why Draenor is dying, which is why the orcs are invading, which is why the movie happens.

The blood drinking is as relevant to this story as the naaru, who took the draenei to Draenor and caused Kil'jaeden to follow them. Or the elementals, who abandoned the shamans when they could have healed the world from the fel magic. Or the ogres, who are the reason orcs are warriors in the first place.

Everything is connected, but you can't make a movie about everything, you have to filter what's important and what isn't, and Jones and Metzen felt the demon blood wasn't important enough to happen in the movie. You can disagree, and come up with weird theories about why they made that decision, but don't act like you know something when you're speculating.

[Zoaric]

I've been wondering since the first time I saw that Blackrock Pass scene if Durotan
was actually saying 'my people' rather than 'our people'. Confirmation.

Also, I assume he's aboot to say "I am here... to challenge the true leader of this
Horde to Mak'Gora!"

[Tornwar]

This pretty much confirms that Durotan is one badass mf!

[Wikiy]

Why did the orcs come to Azeroth?
What was their driving reason and force behind them and Gul'dan?
What gave them the power to pull off what they accomplished at teh time?

Demons and their influence as well as mannoroths blood cocktail.

Why did the orcs come to Azeroth? What was the driving reason? The fact Draenor was dying. It literally is the same as in the film. The Burning Legion left the orcs to themselves the moment they destroyed Shattrath. Sure, they left them a bit extra bloodthirsty in the process.