Institutionalized Racism - a joke

[Deleted]

I'm sorry but the "evidence" that leftists have presented to me so far to "prove" that there's institutionalized racism in the US is a complete joke. After crying wolf so many times I'm very unlikely to ever take them seriously even if they do come up with genuine evidence.

First it was the whole Brown shooting. Despite the fact that there was ZERO, absolutely ZERO evidence of racism or even police misconduct, they still made a big deal about it and when the courts finally said "You're wrong" instead of giving up they saw this as evidence of RAMPANT RACISM in the court rooms because you know everyone involved, the judge, grand jury with 3 blacks in it AND even the prosecutor ALL are evil racists who hate black men for being black. All this was is one jock with delusions of grandeur resisting arrest and getting his ass handed to him. If he had surrendered peacefully he'd still be alive.

Then it was the Garner case. Nevermind that he too resisted arrested and we got it on tape and there's NO evidence of racism there either. Maybe instead of blaming police there's some responsibility on his part. DON'T RESIST ARREST, especially if you know you have a bad heart and are in poor physical condition. Shit can and will happen.

Oh and for those claiming that the police were excessively violent in trying to restrain him in this case and this only happens to blacks, wrong again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NpPStTFTcM

Personally I don't blame the police given the kind of violence they have to deal with. Better that they use slightly more force and live than risk getting overpowered by thugs and criminals and end up in a body bag.

Finally you had the case with the black college student (son of some journalist or whatever) mistaken for a thief because they looked alike, so a cop stopped him at gunpoint though didn't shoot. This was presented as a case of racial profiling and racism, even though it turned out that the cop was also black. What a joke.

I'm sorry but if this is the best you can offer then I can say with absolute confidence that whatever racism still exists in the US it's rare, it's dying and it's dying fast. Democrats do not like this because it means they lose votes. Activists do not like this because it means they lose their careers as professional agitators.

[Gestopft]

I agree that looking at individual cases and crying "institutional racism" can be a little silly; statistical data paints a clearer picture though.

Blacks are more likely to be arrested for drug-related crimes (than usage proportion)
http://www.hrw.org/en/node/81110/

Blacks and Latinos are more likely to be stopped and/or frisked by law enforcement
http://www.nyclu.org/content/stop-and-frisk-data

Black offenders are given longer sentences than white offenders for the same crimes
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...04463789858002

Blacks convicts are far less likely to get a callback for a job interview than white convicts; white convicts are give callbacks at about the same rate as blacks with no criminal record
http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/pag.../pager_ajs.pdf

There are obviously lots of factors in all of the data, but there is a very noticeable trend, and there are more examples as well.

Also, this fucking law.

[Aeno]

Accounting for lurking variables is a huge problem that nobody does.

[Velaniz]

Their point is that while there might not actually be institutionalized racism on paper, existing subconscious racism on the part of people who act on behalf of the state makes it so that certain races of people are disproportionately affected, and so the outcomes are similiar to what they would've been if there had been actual institutionalized racism all along.

[Pull My Finger]

I can say with absolute confidence that whatever racism still exists in the US it's rare, it's dying and it's dying fast.

I don't really care about the rest of the post, but this was funny.

[time0ut]

I predict this thread will get locked.

[Laila]

Indeed. Before it does, though, I'd love to hear the OP justify the fact that the prosecutors gave the jurors outright false information (a law that had been overturned by the supreme court) on when it's legal to shoot at a suspect, then had to go back to them and tell them, but instead of telling them outright that what they had originally been told was false, they simply told them the federal ruling exists, and then when asked if it overrules the local one (it does, and there's absolutely no possible way a successful attorney of any sort could have any difficulty answering that question with a "yes"), they literally told the jurors not to worry about that.

[Deleted]

I agree that looking at individual cases and crying "institutional racism" can be a little silly; statistical data paints a clearer picture though.

Blacks are more likely to be arrested for drug-related crimes (than usage proportion)
http://www.hrw.org/en/node/81110/

Okay let's see what it really says:

"This 20-page report says that adult African Americans were arrested on drug charges at rates that were 2.8 to 5.5 times as high as those of white adults in every year from 1980 through 2007, the last year for which complete data were available. About one in three of the more than 25.4 million adult drug arrestees during that period was African American."

So let's establish a few things here.

1. "Usage proportion" doesn't mean anything, since the broader "drug charges" can include both personal use and large-scale distribution or manufacturing with no use at all. Would you eat your own product? I don't think so... in most cases.
2. This doesn't actually prove racism since it could just be the case that there are disproportionately more black drug dealers than white ones. Justice is dealt individually NOT collectively.
3. In any case this doesn't affect law abiding citizens unless you're going to argue that there's a massive conspiracy to frame innocent blacks as drug users or traffickers.
4. By that logic the US would be sexist against men just because more men are arrested or go to jail.

Blacks and Latinos are more likely to be stopped and/or frisked by law enforcement
http://www.nyclu.org/content/stop-and-frisk-data

You do realize that there is a disproportionate crime rate in those neighborhoods? As Bloomberg pointed out: "most violent crime occurs in black and Hispanic neighborhoods, with black and Hispanic victims." http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...e71_story.html

The bolded part is very important too. If you're going to claim that S&F harms blacks and Hispanics, you have to account for the fact that taking it away would actually make law-abiding blacks and Hispanics more exposed to victimization.

I also don't think you really know all the details of what the police are looking for. It's pretty simplistic to conclude that this is all due to hatred of a certain race. For example criminals often organize themselves into racial gangs and have certain MOs. So if you're looking for a member of gang X, and X is known as a black gang, it's probably a waste of time to search whites. Just as if you were investgating a KKK murder, you would be looking for a white suspect and you'd probably interrogate more whites than anyone else.

Black offenders are given longer sentences than white offenders for the same crimes
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...04463789858002

There's no such thing as the same crime in reality. No two crimes are ever exactly the same, and even for the "same crime" punishment can vary widely based on past criminal record and how far you cooperate with law enforcement. It's so important that taking a plea bargain for example can mean the difference between 2 and 20 years.

Once again you are probably just looking at race and ignoring other details which may disprove your theory.

Define same crime. Like, even two partners committing the same crime, both doing the same thing, both involved in the plot etc. can still get widely different sentences if one rats the other out in exchange for leniency. This is one factor I can think of in the black gang culture, the whole "fuck the police" mentality. Hate to break this to you but if you want to be loyal to the streets or whatever and never cooperate with the investigation, you can expect the judge to be more harsh.

Blacks convicts are far less likely to get a callback for a job interview than white convicts; white convicts are give callbacks at about the same rate as blacks with no criminal record
http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/pag.../pager_ajs.pdf

I'll have to check this one later.

There are obviously lots of factors in all of the data, but there is a very noticeable trend, and there are more examples as well.

Also, this fucking law.

Combating illegal immigration isn't racist and the US has a huge problem with it, particularly from Mexico.

[Independent voter]

I don't think racism was involved in these two cases. If Brown or Garner were white, it wouldn't have changed a thing, they'd be two dead white guys killed by police.

I think these police excesses are due to poor training, the wrong individuals in service and the suspects where huge, strong men.

[Daelak]

I'm sorry but the "evidence" that leftists have presented to me so far to "prove" that there's institutionalized racism in the US is a complete joke. After crying wolf so many times I'm very unlikely to ever take them seriously even if they do come up with genuine evidence.

First it was the whole Brown shooting. Despite the fact that there was ZERO, absolutely ZERO evidence of racism or even police misconduct, they still made a big deal about it and when the courts finally said "You're wrong" instead of giving up they saw this as evidence of RAMPANT RACISM in the court rooms because you know everyone involved, the judge, grand jury with 3 blacks in it AND even the prosecutor ALL are evil racists who hate black men for being black. All this was is one jock with delusions of grandeur resisting arrest and getting his ass handed to him. If he had surrendered peacefully he'd still be alive.

Then it was the Garner case. Nevermind that he too resisted arrested and we got it on tape and there's NO evidence of racism there either. Maybe instead of blaming police there's some responsibility on his part. DON'T RESIST ARREST, especially if you know you have a bad heart and are in poor physical condition. Shit can and will happen.

Oh and for those claiming that the police were excessively violent in trying to restrain him in this case and this only happens to blacks, wrong again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NpPStTFTcM

Personally I don't blame the police given the kind of violence they have to deal with. Better that they use slightly more force and live than risk getting overpowered by thugs and criminals and end up in a body bag.

Finally you had the case with the black college student (son of some journalist or whatever) mistaken for a thief because they looked alike, so a cop stopped him at gunpoint though didn't shoot. This was presented as a case of racial profiling and racism, even though it turned out that the cop was also black. What a joke.

I'm sorry but if this is the best you can offer then I can say with absolute confidence that whatever racism still exists in the US it's rare, it's dying and it's dying fast. Democrats do not like this because it means they lose votes. Activists do not like this because it means they lose their careers as professional agitators.

Institutionalized racism isn't new, and it definitely isn't just in the US. In any certain country where there is a dynamic minority(ies)/majority population, there will always be racial tension and discrimination due to own race bias. The US has a marked history of exterminating and enslaving minority populations with rather large public support since the times of the Indians, to Africans, Chinese/Orientals, and late 19th early 20th European immigrants.

The white majority in this country has fought and killed in the name of keeping the 200 year old institution stays preferential to white people.

[Aeno]

The white majority in this country has fought and killed in the name of keeping the 200 year old institution stays preferential to white people.

Ahh, more great signature fodder from Daelak. Next he'll say all Republicans are white and plan to keep every other person down, as whites discriminated against blacks, blacks were mainly in the south, and all whites are guilty.

[Rukh]

Ahh, more great signature fodder from Daelak. Next he'll say all Republicans are white and plan to keep every other person down, as whites discriminated against blacks, blacks were mainly in the south, and all whites are guilty.

What other words would you like to put in his mouth? He might as well go take a break since you're going to just make up what he says in a big ol' strawman anyways.

[Rukentuts]

This thread got debunked hard on the first reply, damn.

[Daelak]

Ahh, more great signature fodder from Daelak. Next he'll say all Republicans are white and plan to keep every other person down, as whites discriminated against blacks, blacks were mainly in the south, and all whites are guilty.

I guess you would the be the person that wouldn't bat an eye over the 15,000 blacks lynched in the 20th century in the south, again must be one of those historical perspectives that no one holds in the south anymore because it was so long ago right?

[Aeno]

What other words would you like to put in his mouth? He might as well go take a break since you're going to just make up what he says in a big ol' strawman anyways.

Considering that it was blatant sarcasm, I'm disappointed you had to fabricate a reason to jump on me.

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I guess you would the be the person that wouldn't bat an eye over the 15,000 blacks lynched in the 20th century in the south, again must be one of those historical perspectives that no one holds in the south anymore because it was so long ago right?

You guess incorrectly.

[Deleted]

Institutionalized racism isn't new, and it definitely isn't just in the US. In any certain country where there is a dynamic minority(ies)/majority population, there will always be racial tension and discrimination due to own race bias. The US has a marked history of exterminating and enslaving minority populations with rather large public support since the times of the Indians, to Africans, Chinese/Orientals, and late 19th early 20th European immigrants.

The white majority in this country has fought and killed in the name of keeping the 200 year old institution stays preferential to white people.

Dude, slavery hasn't been a thing for 150 years.

"institution stays preferential to white people" - This makes no sense at all since freedom, or at least negative liberty, is not a zero-sum game.

But yes there certainly is racial tension. Most of it today agitated by leftists who want votes or money for their shady NGOs.

[Powerogue]

I think we can all learn a bit from the magic of this educational video.

[Deleted]

I don't think racism was involved in these two cases. If Brown or Garner were white, it wouldn't have changed a thing, they'd be two dead white guys killed by police.

And plenty of whites did get killed in 2014 for resisting arrest.

It's not about race. No sane cop is going to risk his career by shooting someone who surrenders. Maybe in 1 in a million cases the cop is a psychopath and will shoot suspects with their hands up but that's rare and it's not that easy to get away with due to forensics, hardely evidence of anything institutionalized.

[Daelak]

Dude, slavery hasn't been a thing for 150 years.

"institution stays preferential to white people" - This makes no sense at all since freedom, or at least negative liberty, is not a zero-sum game.

But yes there certainly is racial tension. Most of it today agitated by leftists who want votes or money for their shady NGOs.

Red-lining and economic dead zones are still definitely a thing. White flight, no GI bill for blacks, were definitely things.

Black households hold a 1/10th of the wealth white households do. Does that mean they are just as 1/10 as smart?

Are you stating that blacks and other minorities who are sentenced with longer and harsher sentences for the exact same crime deserve it because of their own failings in their communities, and not beating poverty? Do you think the economic decisions and legal actions of white people since the 1800s, where they went out of their way to ensure separate but equal, were completely independent of the black communities?

[Rukh]

Considering that it was blatant sarcasm, I'm disappointed you had to fabricate a reason to jump on me.

I know it was sarcasm. It was also drastic strawman to dismiss his argument.