Subtlety Opener Help

[skmage]

I'm trying to find a good guide that is up to date for PvE Subtlety for a correct opener. Every guide I have read as well as Icy Veins say different rotations for an opener so I thought id ask the Rogue community. Here is what I'm doing and I want to make sure it's right or if it needs corrections.

3sec before pull - Premeditation+Slice and Dice
1sec before pull - Pot
Shadow Reflections (Berserking)
Ambush
Rupture
Shadow Dance
Ambush
Eviscerate w/5 combo points

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Opener (without 2 pcs bonus and with Subterfuge):
>10 sec before pull - Premed
2 sec before pull - SnD
1 sec before pull - pot & get to boss
0 sec - Garrote
Ambush
Wait for 5 combo points
SR
Rupture
Dance

/noob

[Rosvall]

This is what I run, it assumes at least 2 piece tier though:

(-10)Premed -> (-1)SnD + Prepot -> Garrote -> Trinkets+SR -> Ambush -> Rupture -> Dance.

So a bit of argumentation for my cause:
You want to premed around 10 seconds before you pull, because after 10 seconds your combo points start to decay and become wasted. You also don't want to use Premed to late, since then you might miss out on a second use during dance.

The SnD + Prepot I guess is pretty self explanatory.

Open with garrote has been simulated to be slightly ahead, mind extremely slightly. The main reason is quicker SV and the DPE of garrote vs. unSV'ed ambush being low.

Reason to SR/Trinket right after garrote and before your first ambush is that due to the 2 set piece, you'll always get at least equal amount of ambushes in during SR. Also, SR's rupture doesn't proc with SV and get shortened down, thus at times the 1 sec GCD will make it so you can refresh rupture after SR stops copying.

Reason for the first ambush before dance is to drain energy so to not overflow on 2 set proc for dance.


Short story: How you do your opener isn't really that important. All openers are really close in dps.

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10sec before pull premed
3sec pot
2sec slice n dice
Ambush
Hemo
Shadow Reflection
Rupture
Shadow dance
Ambush /eviscerate spam

This is using shadow focus

[skmage]

This is what I run, it assumes at least 2 piece tier though:

What about without the 2pc Tier? Also I'm using Subterfuge not Shadow Focus.

[Rankith]

What about without the 2pc Tier? Also I'm using Subterfuge not Shadow Focus.

Glyph of vanish + Subterfuge is a dps increase, run that.

with 2pc, refer to Rosvall's post above. Notice he throws in an extra Ambush to dump energy before dancing.