Unholy has some serious problems

[Deleted]

It's funny to see how we went from being quite good, you know, sniffing top 5 on the meters, to being less than mediocre. Is it only me who lost interest in the class?
I usually watch warriors, or balance druids on kill povs and I can rarely see they "screw up" the rotation. They have shiny buttons and they click them and they win. Looks to me that they cannot slip up. I have a friend who plays warrior in a top 100 world guild, and I asked him what kind of rotation he has, he literally told me; "I press stuff that is shining on my UI", and I asked him; how do you know if you screwed up your rotation? And he just laughs at me saying, well, since warrior is a situational class you press any ability you feel like without causing too much downtime.

I wish that was the case for Death Knights, i'm tired of having my screen covered up with weakauras and TMW etc just to NOT fuck up my rune management.
Problems for UH Dk's atm

1; We have no noticable crits, we have "stable" damage which is just boring as watching grass grow, aka, losing complete interest in your class.
2; Our burst is non-existant, there are classes out there bursting 90-140k easily, and they live off that burst 2-3-4 minutes into the fight having no competetion on the meters. What are Dk's bursting, 70-80k for what, 40 seconds?
3; Rune management and Runic Power management. If you slip up once during a bossfight you end up with 1-2 orphan frost or blood runes and you'll have to sit there and wait for them to regenerate, OR you're forced to use Plague Leech which will put you on your ass when you need it the next time.
4; In need of another UH buff to make us viable in raids. There's literally no point in having a DK in your raid, unless you're unemployed and playing in the topguilds with the absolute best gear available. You can switch out a DK for another mage, feral, oh and warriors for that matter, you see, we are facing hard times ahead of us, atleast we who raid mythic. More and more guilds are swapping Dks for another class, so what we're seeing is a slow, painful death for UH dks, or dks in general.

Do I have to change class to enjoy this game again?


Now I let my steaming rage out, holy god, forgive me padre for I have sinned.

[Schizoide]

we went from being quite good, you know, sniffing top 5 on the meters, to being less than mediocre.

Unholy is still very strong.

Highmaul M, #3 DPS
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/6

BRF H (not enough samples for M yet), #5 DPS
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/7#difficulty=4

(Incoming someone saying only 99th percentile matters in 3.... 2......)

[HfO2]

It's funny to see how we went from being quite good, you know, sniffing top 5 on the meters, to being less than mediocre. Is it only me who lost interest in the class?
I usually watch warriors, or balance druids on kill povs and I can rarely see they "screw up" the rotation. They have shiny buttons and they click them and they win. Looks to me that they cannot slip up. I have a friend who plays warrior in a top 100 world guild, and I asked him what kind of rotation he has, he literally told me; "I press stuff that is shining on my UI", and I asked him; how do you know if you screwed up your rotation? And he just laughs at me saying, well, since warrior is a situational class you press any ability you feel like without causing too much downtime.

I wish that was the case for Death Knights, i'm tired of having my screen covered up with weakauras and TMW etc just to NOT fuck up my rune management.
Problems for UH Dk's atm

1; We have no noticable crits, we have "stable" damage which is just boring as watching grass grow, aka, losing complete interest in your class.
2; Our burst is non-existant, there are classes out there bursting 90-140k easily, and they live off that burst 2-3-4 minutes into the fight having no competetion on the meters. What are Dk's bursting, 70-80k for what, 40 seconds?
3; Rune management and Runic Power management. If you slip up once during a bossfight you end up with 1-2 orphan frost or blood runes and you'll have to sit there and wait for them to regenerate, OR you're forced to use Plague Leech which will put you on your ass when you need it the next time.
4; In need of another UH buff to make us viable in raids. There's literally no point in having a DK in your raid, unless you're unemployed and playing in the topguilds with the absolute best gear available. You can switch out a DK for another mage, feral, oh and warriors for that matter, you see, we are facing hard times ahead of us, atleast we who raid mythic. More and more guilds are swapping Dks for another class, so what we're seeing is a slow, painful death for UH dks, or dks in general.

Do I have to change class to enjoy this game again?


Now I let my steaming rage out, holy god, forgive me padre for I have sinned.

I've done progression raiding as a dps DK since WOTLK. Unholy is better designed than it has ever been. Hopefully the same attention will be given to frost.

Your argument lacks logic and I disagree with the conclusion; you've probably already answered your last question - good luck!

[Iysdexia]

Unholy is still very strong.

Highmaul M, #3 DPS
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/6

BRF H (not enough samples for M yet), #5 DPS
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/7#difficulty=4

(Incoming someone saying only 99th percentile matters in 3.... 2......)

Only MAX percentile on Mythic matters. Using the data from the last week, Unholy is #3 overall. We're in a great spot thanks to the 6.1 buffs.

[Deleted]

You must be seriously shit if you dont think unholy dks are in an pretty amazing spot right now.

[Ealyssa]

UH is more than fine. Just a L2play issue, as usual.

[Verko]

Unholy is fine, and you don't need a lot on your UI to track everything. Just watch your diseases on everything. Rune management becomes second nature eventually, so you dont have to look at your runes too much. From personal experience Unholy is definitely in the top end of dps right now on a lot of fights. Sure we don't burst as crazy at the beginning of the fight. But by halfway through we have usually stayed pretty constant where everyone else starts falling behind. Then when Soul Reaper starts goin we actually gain a few spots usually.

Ive played a DK since the beginning, and this is my favorite Unholy for raiding so far!

Im always around #15th on my server (Arthas) for dk's so im not a scrub. Yes when your talking about the top 1% DK's fall behind a bit, but that only effects a handful of people.

[Deleted]

Dk's are amazing right now. I got a 97% percentile on heroic Oregorger tonight with the UB/NP playstyle while being nr. 1 in my team (inb4 "meh heroic"), but yeah.

[Schizoide]

Only MAX percentile on Mythic matters.

And there it is!

[nephzor]

Frost is in a bad spot right now, it needs a complete revamp. But, unholy is in a really great spot right now it doesnt need any changes because the spec feels better than ever.

[Schizoide]

Frost doesn't need a revamp, although it certainly does have major mechanical issues, don't get me wrong. What is needs are numbers buffs-- substantial ones.

[nephzor]

Frost doesn't need a revamp, although it certainly does have major mechanical issues, don't get me wrong. What is needs are numbers buffs-- substantial ones.

i agree, but they still need to do some change to KM

[Miff]

I don't like Unholy, but i don't think it's as bad as what you've making it out to be. Usually this type of chatter occurs, as you said, when a class is at the top, then as other classes scale/get buffed, we start to sink to the middle of the pack... but we're still in the middle of a pack!

If you don't like Unholy, play frost to see the big crits/etc. A 90+ percentile frost will beat a 75-80 percentile unholy... So it's not that bad.

[Beefkow]

I still say unholy can use a little buff, but not too much.

Maybe like 5% increase str to unholy might? or buff to pet? then ill be pretty satisfied.

But I wish gargoyle could be burstier (change the gargoyle perk) instead of completely sustained.

Otherwise unholy is in the middle of the pack, not too high or not too low on dps, but seriously i wish blood boil didn't get nerfed soo hard....

[Deleted]

I still say unholy can use a little buff, but not too much.

Maybe like 5% increase str to unholy might? or buff to pet? then ill be pretty satisfied.

But I wish gargoyle could be burstier (change the gargoyle perk) instead of completely sustained.

Otherwise unholy is in the middle of the pack, not too high or not too low on dps, but seriously i wish blood boil didn't get nerfed soo hard....

Yeah being the best overall plate dps is not enough

[Beefkow]

Yeah being the best overall plate dps is not enough

I will admit, i have been pulling #1-2 dps right now in my guild being that i am ilvl 679 unholy dk and the rest under 675 but man they suck...

[Schizoide]

If Unholy was any stronger, it would be in serious danger of being nerfed.

[Raikh]

While I was a little bit sceptical at first even with the 6.1 buffs I'm currently quite amazed how strong unholy currently is. BoS provides burst, quite good ST and light cleave dps, while NP is generally incredibly practical and can be totally dominating for cleave and non-burst AoE.
Kromog has literally become our fight with boomkin nerfs and NP buff, take your place in the second row somewhere in the center and blow the whole shit up.

I used AMZ surprisingly often so far and mass grip is again pretty decent on atleast darmac and operator. survivability looks relatively good, can take quite some relevant things with ams (slices on gruul, firestorm/meteor on flamebender, stone breath on kromog, flame debuff on operator mythic, blood ritual on maidens, massive smash on black hand p3, AoE on darmac, everything on blast furnace). Mobility is not great but sufficient for most bosses, blackhand a bit annoying without a proper sprint though. So benefit for the raid is definitely there.

Can't really complain at all. Sure you can always want more dmg and there are a few specs whch are on atleast some fights ridiculously strong (dem mages, monk on 2-3 targets, demo/warri on burst AoE, combat/enhancer on sustained AoE) but we can do everything atleast decent now, have our own little fight to shine and are not zero support either, we simply don't need buffs nor deserve them. The very definition of good for me. Frost is something that could take a huge buff to the face if it ever wants to see light in this expansion.

[Deleted]

Unholy's in a nice spot now after the 6.1 buffs. Frost needs the attention, not unholy.

[DarkBlade6]

IMO, unholy single target DPS is fine (rotation and number) , what need a revamp is the AoE rotation. I hate that Blood Boil only require one Blood rune, it ruins everything, in too many situation you can fuck up your frost/blood rune sync, so it screw your single target rotation, forcing us to do icy touch to convert the lone frost rune into death rune is fucking dumb. BB should require 1 Blood and 1 Frost rune (for unholy), to compensate the new cost, they would have to buff it (lets be honest BB need a buff, 33% nerf was way too much), but not just a flat +X% damage, they could add a new mechanic like: make your disease tick faster for X second. Just my 2cents. And I agree that Frost is broken, they need a revamp more than unholy.