Why are Republicans so Obsessed with Israel?

[Kraenen]

This vapid post contained no insight other than "you are wrong." Stop pretending you are for independent thought Raybourne. I doubt you remember what that is.

Who gives a shit? Your post is essentially the same as you criticize me for doing. Nothing of value, just saying "you are wrong". I'm not pretending anything, want to prove it?

[Daelak]

This vapid post contained no insight other than "you are wrong." Stop pretending you are for independent thought Raybourne. I doubt you remember what that is.

And your defense of republicans, is what?

[Independent voter]

Thread title. Who cares? Why not just let them handle their own biz?

Jewish votes, Jewish money, screw over the Democrat President, what's not to like?

[Deleted]

This forum is so overpopulated with foaming at the mouth "republicans are evil" types I am surprised it even pretends to be moderated.

When we have some hilarious example of a US politician not even grasping the basic principles of science and being willingfully ignorant about an obvious socio-economic problem with an obvious solution, its 9 in 10 a Republican.

If you want to complain about Republicans getting a lot of shit on these forums then how about instead of complaining about said posters for being "lib-biased extreme-left communists" you start complaining to the Republicans for being dumb fucks in the first place.

In case you didn't notice, the rest of the 1st world isn't to fond of Republicans and not because we're all ebil socialists that want to see America become a communist state, but because Republicans are a bigger treat to world peace then Vladimir Putin, Kim jong-il and ISIS together, you should also remember that ISIS is a direct result of warmongering Republican administration.

[Merkava]

In case you didn't notice, the rest of the 1st world isn't to fond of Republicans and not because we're all ebil socialists that want to see America become a communist state, but because Republicans are a bigger treat to world peace then Vladimir Putin, Kim jong-il and ISIS together, you should also remember that ISIS is a direct result of warmongering Republican administration.

ISIS, as least as they exist now, is a result of a Democrat President's premature, politicaly motivated, and ill advised withdrawal. He seems he may have learned a lesson, at least by his speech today.

[Deleted]

ISIS, as least as they exist now, is a result of a Democrat President's premature, politicaly motivated, and ill advised withdrawal. He seems he may have learned a lesson, at least by his speech today.

So you think declaring war on Iraq was justified? At least the Democrate president admitted his mistake, what the Republican administration did back in the day was putting its fingers in its ears and shouting "Nukes!", "9/11!", "War on Terror!",...

[Merkava]

So you think declaring war on Iraq was justified?

I disagree with a lot of the reasons cited for going to war, and a lot of the way the occupation was handled, and I don't know exactly what you mean by the word "justified", but yes, the decision to remove Saddam Hussein by force was the correct one.

[jugzilla]

In case you didn't notice, the rest of the 1st world isn't to fond of Republicans and not because we're all ebil socialists that want to see America become a communist state, but because Republicans are a bigger treat to world peace then Vladimir Putin, Kim jong-il and ISIS together.

First of all...what the hell is the 1st world? is this just your Euro elitism seeping through?

2nd of all, if you care to notice, these forums in no way represent the real world.

Thirdly. Fuck you.

And finally. Republicans are a greater than threat than Putin, NK, and ISIS combined? How the fuck do you type something like this and maintain a straight face. Is the Republican party, assuming it didn't have to deal with those pesky democrats who also live here, annexing territory in Ukraine, beheading people in the middle east, organizing attacks on free speech centers in Europe, beheading people in Europe. How many trains have the Republicans blown up in Europe? How many Planes? The republicans haven't been in charge for like 6 years now, and all these bad dudes have been doing all these bad things.

So you think declaring war on Iraq was justified? At least the Democrate president admitted his mistake, what the Republican administration did back in the day was putting its fingers in its ears and shouting "Nukes!", "9/11!", "War on Terror!",...

Please show me when a Democrate president ever admitted to any mistake.

Infracted

[NuLogic]

I think they see it as a strategic move since they really seem to dislike Iran and surrounding countries minus Saudi Arabia.

[Merkava]

I would though, like to ask some Tea Party candidate how he squares his fetish for the Constitution with the pumping of millions of US taxpayer dollars into messianic settlements in the West Bank.

[Deleted]

I disagree with a lot of the reasons cited for going to war, and a lot of the way the occupation was handled, and I don't know exactly what you mean by the word "justified", but yes, the decision to remove Saddam Hussein by force was the correct one.

Read up on recent history, the American Army didn't liberate Iraq from a dictator, what it did was destroying the countries infrastructure, cause massive civilian casualties, planted the seeds for even more extremism, destabelize the entire region and then stage some camera shots of "happy liberated Iraqies".

The media propaganda in America during the war was the biggest propaganda machine the world has ever seen, treating the war like a Hollywood movie and pretending enormous destruction of Iraq civilian lives and infrastructure wasn't happening. During (and much after) the war, US-citizens where proven to be the most uninformed about the war and the occupation out of all populations in the world. As a guy studying PR and communication I have to admit that the way the Republican administration misled the world was impressive, but only impressive in the way that I think the Blitzkrieg was an impressive military strategy.

[Cthulhu 2020]

because it's a bait thread made to stir up animosity

It's an honest question.

Every time Democrats want to pull out of Israel they're accused of being anti-semitic for not wanting to throw billions more at an "ally" who doesn't give us anything in return and backstabs us.

I'd certainly like to know "why" billions of my tax dollars get thrown at Israel for no gain.

[Merkava]

Read up on recent history, the American Army didn't liberate Iraq from a dictator, what it did was destroying the countries infrastructure, cause massive civilian casualties, planted the seeds for even more extremism, destabelize the entire region and then stage some camera shots of "happy liberated Iraqies".

The media propaganda in America during the war was the biggest propaganda machine the world has ever seen, treating the war like a Hollywood movie and pretending enormous destruction of Iraq civilian lives and infrastructure wasn't happening. During (and much after) the war, US-citizens where proven to be the most uninformed about the war and the occupation out of all populations in the world. As a guy studying PR and communication I have to admit that the way the Republican administration misled the world was impressive, but only impressive in the way that I think the Blitzkrieg was an impressive military strategy.

Would you like to rehash the entire Iraq war?

First of all, it wasn't just Americans. Second of all, Iraq was in fact liberated. Thirdly, Saddam was by any definition, a dictator. The destruction you're referring to was caused by civil war. And, I think tyrannical, mass murdering, terrorist supporting regimes should be destabilized. But maybe I'm just old fashioned that way.

As to you second paragraph, is there an unfalsifiable statement in there? Even if it was true, it has no bearing on whether I believe it was the right decision to remove Saddam from power. Second, the American media was decidedly anti war. And, I already heard your ridiculous assessment on Republicans, thanks.

[Deleted]

Thirdly. Fuck you.

I've read the rest of your post, it basicly comes down to the fact that you're buthurt about the truth and have to resort to screaming out your frustration. Its ok, I understand.

What I didn't mean to say or suggest with my posts is that all Republicans are warmongering theocratic big money puppet-politicians, I'm 100% sure that a lot of them acutally mean to do good and are capable politicians.

But in all truth and fairness, Republicans have become more and more conservative and radical since the 80'ies and wouldn't even get 5% of the electorate behind them in most other first world countries and for good reason, most of the world is becoming more and more progressive, which is the natural way of things, you don't tend to become more conservative then your (grand)fathers generation.

[Orbitus]

ISIS, as least as they exist now, is a result of a Democrat President's premature, politicaly motivated, and ill advised withdrawal. He seems he may have learned a lesson, at least by his speech today.

Actually you are wrong. It was Bush's plan to leave and the Iraqi government he didn't want to give the US government what they wanted to keep the soldiers there. http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...bcs-raddatz-c/ Iraq didn't want to sign the SOFA agreement that the US wanted so they pulled them all out. If you want someone to blame, Blame IRAQ not Obama.

[Cthulhu 2020]

It's moderated. Take a statement like this, which never gets punished, and change to word "Jew" to some other race with minority status and watch the infractions fly.

Jew isn't a slur unless explicitly used as one, and they are most definitely the aggressors over there. What exactly do you find objectionable to what he said?

[ABEEnr2]

Actually you are wrong. It was Bush's plan to leave and the Iraqi government he didn't want to give the US government what they wanted to keep the soldiers there. http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...bcs-raddatz-c/ Iraq didn't want to sign the SOFA agreement that the US wanted so they pulled them all out. If you want someone to blame, Blame IRAQ not Obama.

Well im blaming US for attacking iraq with 0 resson.

Would you like to rehash the entire Iraq war?

First of all, it wasn't just Americans. Second of all, Iraq was in fact liberated. Thirdly, Saddam was by any definition, a dictator. The destruction you're referring to was caused by civil war. And, I think tyrannical, mass murdering, terrorist supporting regimes should be destabilized. But maybe I'm just old fashioned that way..

Is that why after the Kuwait war when US said no fly zone in iraq. People were going to over throw saddam but after he asked the US to use planes they allowed it?

[Deleted]

Would you like to rehash the entire Iraq war?

First of all, it wasn't just Americans. Second of all, Iraq was in fact liberated. Thirdly, Saddam was by any definition, a dictator. The destruction you're referring to was caused by civil war. And, I think tyrannical, mass murdering, terrorist supporting regimes should be destabilized. But maybe I'm just old fashioned that way.

As to you second paragraph, is there an unfalsifiable statement in there? Even if it was true, it has no bearing on whether I believe it was the right decision to remove Saddam from power. Second, the American media was decidedly anti war. And, I already heard your ridiculous assessment on Republicans, thanks.

I didn't suggest Saddam wasn't a dictator, I told you that the American media was mislead before, during and after the war, and you disagree, which doesn't make the truth go away.

[jugzilla]

Read up on recent history, the American Army didn't liberate Iraq from a dictator,
what it did was destroying the countries infrastructure, cause massive civilian casualties, planted the seeds for even more extremism, destabelize the entire region and then stage some camera shots of "happy liberated Iraqies".

"read up on recent history" Eh? What books have you read on this subject matter I wonder. Saddam was a dictator, and most of his countries infrastructure was destroyed during Gulf War I. There really wasn't a whole lot for the coalition to destroy when we went in in 2003.

The media propaganda in America during the war was the biggest propaganda machine the world has ever seen, treating the war like a Hollywood movie and pretending enormous destruction of Iraq civilian lives and infrastructure wasn't happening. During (and much after) the war, US-citizens where proven to be the most uninformed about the war and the occupation out of all populations in the world. As a guy studying PR and communication I have to admit that the way the Republican administration misled the world was impressive, but only impressive in the way that I think the Blitzkrieg was an impressive military strategy.

Americans are stupid sometimes. Electing and Reelecting Obama is proof.

edit: Oh my 3rd "point" being Fuck you. That was an attempt at humor

What I didn't mean to say or suggest with my posts is that all Republicans are warmongering theocratic big money puppet-politicians, I'm 100% sure that a lot of them acutally mean to do good and are capable politicians.

But in all truth and fairness, Republicans have become more and more conservative and radical since the 80'ies and wouldn't even get 5% of the electorate behind them in most other first world countries and for good reason, most of the world is becoming more and more progressive, which is the natural way of things, you don't tend to become more conservative then your (grand)fathers generation.

Now here you were being reasonable, wrong still, but reasonable, and not hateful. Hell I would buy you a beer and talk it out. Did I really have to cuss you out to bring you down to a level of civility?

[Slicer299]

Thread title.

Who cares? Why not just let them handle their own biz?

Maybe go read a little bit of history, you'll find your answer there. No one has a claim to that land other than the descendents of the Israelites. People have been slaughtering them and stealing their land for over 2,000 years. The US helped them retake their land at the end of WWII, and we have been allies ever since.