Kenyan restaurant bans black Africans after 5pm (GGT)

[Deleted]

This is incorrect in several countries, mine included. If this business owner is running a restaurant, bar, or any other type of public accommodation and their "client profile" is based on race, religion, ethnicity, or any of those other criteria, then refusing service is NOT something they have a right to do.

So apparently you live in a country without anti-discrimination legislation (I don't know where that is because you haven't told us). Good for you, but that still doesn't make your position a universal truth.

You are sure, that in your country it's not possible to cover this policy by, f.e. harsh dress code, a special religious clause a.m.m. in union with a higher security?
As I said before, for every law, there is another one, which can be used to go around it.

And voila, you have your target customer.

So basically it all boils down to the fact that you're OK with being occasionally discriminated against by a minority group in your country and that your country has such shitty laws that there is no recourse for you to argue against said discrimination. And you're trying to convince us that this is a good thing?

Ignorance is bliss. This point you've made very clear.
Its not a discrimination against me or the Germans as whole, if I don't get any access to a Arabic tea house. Because the people want to have establishments, where they can stick to their kind. It's a very natural and happens in every country with local minorities, even in yours I'm sure. Although, as I said they cover this policy under a regulation, which is covered by law.
If you are naive enough to believe it doesn't happen, please see the statement I made 4 lines above.

So, and in that case the Chinese being the local minority in Kenya, it is not very surprising, that this happened. I'm only surprised by their bluntness in this case, because there are X legal ways to achieve the same + without the local Kenyans noticing the true purpose.
Sure they learned their lesson.

And still I'm glad, that there are still legal ways (in every country) to ensure, that you as a business owner can choose the client, who fits your desired profile.

[Deleted]

By 'outside of clubs' I mean not including clubs.

Sorry, did not understand that bit correctly (English is not my first language ).

I have to say once at a restaurant and once or twice at a Casino.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

I had to stop reading this thread because the rate of facepalm per minute was so high I almost gave myself a concussion.

On topic so I don't get flagged, Kenya isn't the safest place on earth. But doing this is going to attract a lot of attention on them. As much as they wanted to do this for security, I fear they are actually bringing the exact opposite.

As for those who say "their businesses, their rules", this is just stupid. Having a business doesn't give you authority based on discrimination. In this particular case, the restaurant was aimed at a Chinese clientele so it somehow make sense - it's also not like if they were banned altogether. But this should never be allowed in first world country.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Except that Jews had been mistrusted and disliked in Europe since the dark ages, it wasn't something new that suddenly appeared in Germany when the Nazis rose to power.

The policy of rounding Jewish people up and denying them citizenship or business wasn't especially.

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You are sure, that in your country it's not possible to cover this policy by, f.e. harsh dress code, a special religious clause a.m.m. in union with a higher security?
As I said before, for every law, there is another one, which can be used to go around it.

And voila, you have your target customer.



Ignorance is bliss. This point you've made very clear.
Its not a discrimination against me or the Germans as whole, if I don't get any access to a Arabic tea house. Because the people want to have establishments, where they can stick to their kind. It's a very natural and happens in every country with local minorities, even in yours I'm sure. Although, as I said they cover this policy under a regulation, which is covered by law.
If you are naive enough to believe it doesn't happen, please see the statement I made 4 lines above.

So, and in that case the Chinese being the local minority in Kenya, it is not very surprising, that this happened. I'm only surprised by their bluntness in this case, because there are X legal ways to achieve the same + without the local Kenyans noticing the true purpose.
Sure they learned their lesson.

And still I'm glad, that there are still legal ways (in every country) to ensure, that you as a business owner can chose the client, who fits your desired profile.

Racism isn't good business it shouldn't be left up to the markets and it damn sure shouldn't be up to the owner who decides that they will refuse part if the public they serve based on race. Violence and terrorism is not an excuse. The business owner can just
As well move somewhere else.

[Deleted]

Racism isn't good business it shouldn't be left up to the markets and it damn sure shouldn't be up to the owner who decides that they will refuse part if the public they serve based on race. Violence and terrorism is not an excuse. The business owner can just
As well move somewhere else.

We can talk again, when you've started your own business and have a clue about the already spent investments. Maybe at that point you'll be ready to drop this naive thinking.

Maybe the Chinese restaurant owner realized only midway, that the Kenyans are not very profitable customers. And that he is risking to lose the rest of the Chinese good paying customer base, if this situation would've continued. At that point it is very often financial suicide to drop everything and move somewhere else.

And lets continue the thought. Lets f.e. assume that the restaurant owners daily takings come 30% from the Kenyans and 70% from the Chinese customers. If your Chinese customer base is voicing a concern, that they are not able to enjoy their meal in a refined restaurant. You as a smart business owner are doing everything not to lose your most important customer base.

[xindralol]

this might actually work to reduce violent crime. sadly the constitution prevents such measures in the US. :/

[Septik]

Well, we used to do stuff like that in the US back in the 1950's.

the black folk your (great?) grandparents segregated are totally different from the 'gun toting thugs' that the business in the post is segregating. this has nothing to do with racism and everything to do with security.

[Doctor Amadeus]

We can talk again, when you've started your own business and have a clue about the already spent investments. Maybe at that point you'll be ready to drop this naive thinking.

Maybe the Chinese restaurant owner realized only midway, that the Kenyans are not very profitable customers. And that he is risking to lose the rest of the Chinese good paying customer base, if this situation would've continued. At that point it is very often financial suicide to drop everything and move somewhere else.

And lets continue the thought. Lets f.e. assume that the restaurant owners daily takings come 30% from the Kenyans and 70% from the Chinese customers. If your Chinese customer base is voicing a concern, that they are not able to enjoy their meal in a refined restaurant. You as a smart business owner are doing everything not to lose your most important customer base.

Not the problem of the public or community there is no right to do business to the public so long as they are the right color of skin. The only one ignorant on this issue is you. Read a history book segregation was not good business it was a method of socially stigmatizing entire groups based on stereotypes and racist attitudes.


And it also didn't end because the majority advocated it hell many blacks in the civil rights era held the same attitudes as whites and the system if segregation was sustained if not for those that fought to change it. You're advocation that denying customers based on skin color is a right is wrong.

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the black folk your (great?) grandparents segregated are totally different from the 'gun toting thugs' that the business in the post is segregating. this has nothing to do with racism and everything to do with security.

How is denying all black people entrance at a restaurant security?

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this might actually work to reduce violent crime. sadly the constitution prevents such measures in the US. :/

Yes thankfully the U.S doesn't allow this kind if stupidity.

[Vea Lea]

this might actually work to reduce violent crime. sadly the constitution prevents such measures in the US. :/

lol how would this reduce violent crime?

[Hupriest]

I'm just a tad confused about a minority group being racist to the majority. It is such a weird thing to see proclaimed so predominately. I'm at a lost on what to say on this so ya ...

[Deleted]

Not the problem of the public or community there is no right to do business to the public so long as they are the right color of skin. The only one ignorant on this issue is you. Read a history book segregation was not good business it was a method of socially stigmatizing entire groups based on stereotypes and racist attitudes.


And it also didn't end because the majority advocated it hell many blacks in the civil rights era held the same attitudes as whites and the system if segregation was sustained if not for those that fought to change it. You're advocation that denying customers based on skin color is a right is wrong.

Why should a business owner load a problem on himself then? For one part it was not smart to do it this bluntly as the Chinese in Kenya did. I'm clearly positive, that there are many legal ways to ensure the same thing in the end.

And no, I'm only standing for the right to turn down a client, if he is not profitable. I say it again and maybe you'll understand it this time. Money can't be racist.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Why should a business owner load a problem on himself then? For one part it was not smart to do it this bluntly as the Chinese in Kenya did. I'm clearly positive, that there are many legal ways to ensure the same thing in the end.

And no, I'm only standing for the right to turn down a client, if he is not profitable. I say it again and maybe you'll understand it this time. Money can't be racist.

Sure it can it can even prop up and encourage racism and racist policies like this one. I don't believe you when you say "I'm only standing up for the right to refuse a client". A client is not an entire race if people.

[StayTuned]

Holy shit they truly must hate this club

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shab...udi-Arabien%29

[Sliske]

People like this... for some reason I suspect these are white males.

No its called let assholes be assholes by themselves, not force assholes to tolerate people they do not like. It is the same thing with homophobes. Why try and force them to assimilate? Laugh at their pettiness and move on. You do not keep a business doing this sort of thing.

[Eled.]

I'm genuinely shocked at a lot of replies in this thread.

What happened ? Are we still in 2015 ?
Has MMO-Champion opened a warp portal from the 1950s ?
Or from 2100 and people of that time have forgotten what those before them fought for ?
Or what ?

[jordonus]

It's hilarious how many people like you think this is only about cake. What about water? What about food? What about clothing? Employment?

Amazing how often people in this thread construct arguments that rest entirely on slippery slope fallacies.

[Shiira]

People like this... for some reason I suspect these are white males.

I bet you can count the times you got discriminated for your skin color on one Hand.

I'm a while male and I was going to school in the middle east on 9/11, how much first hand experience with discrimination do YOU have?

[Khaeli]

I'm a while male and I was going to school in the middle east on 9/11, how much first hand experience with discrimination do YOU have?

What does this even mean...

[Shiira]

What does this even mean...

Everything is relative.

I have experienced a lot of tension concerning my race because I was a minority in an area mainly consisting of arabic muslims.

I'm wondering how much real world experience with discrimination the mmochampion keyboard warriors have.

Implying that white males are unable to have a valid opinion here is a fallacy, and is in itself a form of discrimination.

[Khaeli]

Anyway, skin color shouldn't be a reason to tell people they can't come in your restaurant or be served. Y'all are so weird about your racism. There is nothing white people hate more than to be generalized but I swear you all think the exact same on this website (yes there are exceptions IDC).

On topic, you should be able to ban someone who for example may be atheist as this doesn't harm anyone but you shouldn't be able to ban someone for something they CAN'T HELP! I can't believe you guys would sit there and accept this, but then again I'm not.

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Everything is relative.

I have experienced a lot of tension concerning my race because I was a minority in an area mainly consisting of arabic muslims.

I'm wondering how much real world experience with discrimination the mmochampion keyboard warriors have.

Implying that white males are unable to have a valid opinion here is a fallacy, and is in itself a form of discrimination.

No it's not. White people as a majority have not been banned from restaurants after 5pm now have they?