Let's compare Mists of Pandaria with Warlords of Draenor in terms of content

[Deleted]

There's a lot of people arguing that MoP had way more content than WoD - or the other way around. So let's actually compare both of these expansions and decide for ourselves. I'll compare 5.0 with 6.0 so I won't count anything added in patches.

MoP added 9 new dungeons <-> WoD added 8 new dungeons

MoP added 3 new raids with 16 bosses <-> WoD added 2 new raids with 17 bosses

MoP added 2 new world bosses <-> WoD added 3 new world bosses (you can do 2 per week)

MoP added 8 new group scenarios <-> WoD removed group scenarios

MoP had unique armor sets rewarded from CM dungeons <-> WoD has unique weapons rewarded from CM dungeons

MoP added 53 new mounts <-> WoD added 46 new mounts

MoP added 531 new quests <-> WoD added 401 new quests

MoP added 73 daily quests <-> WoD added 13 daily quests

MoP added 7 new reputations <-> WoD added 8 new reputations (6 of them are faction specific, so you can do 5 reputations if you only play on one faction)

MoP added pet battle system <-> WoD only added a few new unique pets and didn't increase the max level of them

MoP added tillers farm <-> WoD added garrisons

MoP added 2 new arenas and 2 new battlegrounds <-> WoD added 1 new world PvP zone

MoP added 1 new race and 1 new class <-> WoD added new models to 9 playable races

MoP added 8 new zones <-> WoD added 6 new zones

Let me know if I missed something so I'll add it to the list.

So now you can decide which of these expansions had more content.

[Deleted]

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Id say at the end of the line it comes down to around the same, some taken away from one bit and added in another.
It all comes down to if its content that people want to do.
And that is for every single person different.

[Stenulf]

So? Numbers.... I can't really see how this is a comparison of MoP vs WoD that will add anything to anything.
About zones, isn't Draenor way bigger than pandaria? So more square-km of "content"
Quests: how long are the quests, how many diffrent objectives etc.

You can't just say x had more content than y without comparing with some more math and logic.
Also is all content good, should that be worth more, what is good content? Etc...

It all comes down to personal preference.

Also... You forgot
Garrisons
Daily quests from garrisons
Missions
Followers
Too many treasures.
Mythic gear isn't just recolored, it's a gear on steroids and has moving parts, much like CM gear in MoP

[Thyranne]

You should count The Tillers Members as a separated factions.

[wych]

Quality is more important than quantity.

The fact that you're comparing Garrisons with Tillers' farm as if they're the same shows to me you've got an agenda you're trying to push rather than a genuine comparison

[Teebone]

I'll add something.

WoD destroyed professions.

[Soliden]

You can also say that with the character revamps they've effectively added 9 New Races since they were a complete rework from the ground up with new models, textures, and animations.

[Littleraven]

Id say at the end of the line it comes down to around the same, some taken away from one bit and added in another.
It all comes down to if its content that people want to do.
And that is for every single person different.

^This. WoD has plenty of content. The question here though is how much of it does the average player want to do? Same could be said for MoP. Personally I will take dailies over what we have now. I'm probably in the minority on that but for me dailies were a nice little list I could check off each time I logged in day to day. They kept me busy. WoD doesn't have anything like that for me. I still have a sort of list to check off but most of it is tied to Garrisons.

I would love if they added a Timeless Isle type zone.

[Sickjen]

MOP HAD 2 Main cities (Horde,Alliance) WOD: had none.

So? Numbers.... I can't really see how this is a comparison of MoP vs WoD that will add anything to anything.
About zones, isn't Draenor way bigger than pandaria? So more square-km of "content"
Quests: how long are the quests, how many diffrent objectives etc.

You can't just say x had more content than y without comparing with some more math and logic.
Also is all content good, should that be worth more, what is good content? Etc...

It all comes down to personal preference.

Also... You forgot
Garrisons
Daily quests from garrisons
Missions
Followers
Too many treasures.
Mythic gear isn't just recolored, it's a gear on steroids and has moving parts, much like CM gear in MoP

If your counting tanaan yes,but seeing as it's being released later it wouldn't be counted on this list. Not counting patch content

[Soliden]

MOP HAD 2 Main cities (Horde,Alliance) WOD: had none.

So Warspear and Stormshield don't count? Good to know that towers are considered cities.

[Thyranne]

You can also say that with the character revamps they've effectively added 9 New Races since they were a complete rework from the ground up with new models, textures, and animations.

But they didn't create a new zone, quests and lore for them, unlike the Pandaren.

[Soliden]

But they didn't create a new zone, quests and lore for them, unlike the Pandaren.

That's true, but the OP didn't mention that since he was just comparing the amount of races.

[Sickjen]

So Warspear and Stormshield don't count? Good to know that towers are considered cities.

cit·y
ˈsidē/
noun
1.
a large town.
"one of Italy's most beautiful cities"
synonyms: town, municipality, metropolis, megalopolis, megacity; More
NORTH AMERICAN
an incorporated municipal center.
synonyms: town, municipality, metropolis, megalopolis, megacity; More
2.
informal
a place or situation characterized by a specified attribute.
"panic city"

They are both towns and can't even be considered a city.

[Soliden]

cit·y
ˈsidē/
noun
1.
a large town.
"one of Italy's most beautiful cities"
synonyms: town, municipality, metropolis, megalopolis, megacity; More
NORTH AMERICAN
an incorporated municipal center.
synonyms: town, municipality, metropolis, megalopolis, megacity; More
2.
informal
a place or situation characterized by a specified attribute.
"panic city"

They are both towns and can't even be considered a city.

So how do the shrines play into that definition?

[Theprophecy2186]

yea... First off.. there is ZERO comparison from the Tillers farm to the Garrisons. The farm was a small, phased side game you could reap some rewards from. Garrisons are a massive, complex fort that offers 10x more items and features than the farm ever could. Comparing them as equal line items is not doing the Garrison justice, whether you like it or not.

In addition, I'm curious if your quest and mount totals are at MoPs end or at release? MoP had at least a dozen or so mounts released over the course of the expansion (patch 5.1 mounts, various raid/achievement mounts, Isle of Giant mounts). WoD is not over and I'm sure will be releasing more mounts.

As far as dailies go, they're seriously overrated. In MoP, everyone complained at how many there were and how impossible it was for an average player to do them all everyday. World of Dailycraft I heard flung around the forums very often. Now because they were mostly removed, it's now a complaint? This sounds like a argument of a spoiled kid who complains they don't like their Christmas presents.. and then when you take them away they cry even more.

On the note of race/class versus the new models... everyone underestimates how HUGE of a task updating all the models was. Is this "direct content"? Of course not.. but it's something that the playerbase had been crying for for a long time and needed to be done. You can't ask blizz to do something this massive and then complain about them not doing other things along side of it.

Stop comparing expansions. Each one has it's own hurdles in the design phase and blizzard (despite what most of you make them out to be) is a limited company made up of people. They are not perfect and they do make mistakes. For the love of god, stop holding them to some godly standard that they'll never live up to. It's not their responsibility to make you happy. They're going to put out a product... if it's worth your time a money (as it is mine), wonderful! Just enjoy the game. If it's not good enough for you.. simply don't purchase/play it. It's that simple.

[wych]

cit·y
ˈsidē/
noun
1.
a large town.
"one of Italy's most beautiful cities"
synonyms: town, municipality, metropolis, megalopolis, megacity; More
NORTH AMERICAN
an incorporated municipal center.
synonyms: town, municipality, metropolis, megalopolis, megacity; More
2.
informal
a place or situation characterized by a specified attribute.
"panic city"

They are both towns and can't even be considered a city.

Shrines were just 1 building, hardly cities either.

I was pretty pissed they removed Karabor, but MoP wasn't any better in that regard

[Noradin]

You can also say that with the character revamps they've effectively added 9 New Races since they were a complete rework from the ground up with new models, textures, and animations.

Then they took away 9 established ones.

[Amerissis]

Few things that make it impossible to use this list for comparison (or any, actually):

MoP added 531 new quests <-> WoD added 401 new quests
MoP added 73 daily quests <-> WoD added 13 daily quests[/quote]
Length, complexity, reward and perceived fun of quests is more important then the number. I find one engaging questline with 10 quests more content then 50 'kill 10 boars' quests.

MoP added 7 new reputations <-> WoD added 8 new reputations (6 of them are faction specific, so you can do 5 reputations if you only play only on one faction)
Again, content doesn't depend on numbers. See f.i. 10 reps that take 5 minutes of grinding to get to exalted vs 1 rep that takes 5 weeks of questing to get exalted.

MoP added pet battle system <-> WoD only added a few new unique pets and didn't increase the max level of them
The addition of the system isn't more content then the adding of new pets. You can still do more battles now then you could before and there are more dailies and trainers, so content-wise, the pet battles in WoD are more content then in MoP.

MoP added 2 new arenas and 2 new battlegrounds <-> WoD added 1 new world PvP zone
Not comparable.

MoP added 8 new zones <-> WoD added 6 new zones
Not comparable. In this case, size does matter. And things to do, because an empty wasteland is a lot less content then a buzzing quest hub.

So now you can decide which of these expansions had more content.

WoD.

[Thyranne]

As far as dailies go, they're seriously overrated. In MoP, everyone complained at how many there were and how impossible it was for an average player to do them all everyday. World of Dailycraft I heard flung around the forums very often. Now because they were mostly removed, it's now a complaint? This sounds like a argument of a spoiled kid who complains they don't like their Christmas presents.. and then when you take them away they cry even more.

The problem weren't dailies "because there were many dailies", the problem was gating epics/recipes/more factions behind dailies.

[Sickjen]

So how do the shrines play into that definition?

Shrine actually was a pretty huge mass of a area you can't really see it because half of it is in the wall for both factions. As well has it serves for the factions main hub where as stormshield does "not". Garrisons due. Ashran isn't a city.

MoP added 73 daily quests <-> WoD added 13 daily quests

Length, complexity, reward and perceived fun of quests is more important then the number. I find one engaging questline with 10 quests more content then 50 'kill 10 boars' quests.
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Stopped reading after. The 13 daily quest's are not complex at all. if you think filling up a bar with kill counts is "complex" i don't know what to tell you.