Who would win Muradin Bronzebeard vs Chen Stormstout

[Sweaper]

Hello guys,who will win in this battle Muradin or Chen?(Your opinion)

[McNeil]

They can both be played in Heroes of the Storm, let them fight each other and find out.

[Deleted]

Both are roughly the same hero standing. Chen or Muradin havent really fought many one versus ones so very difficult to say. So I would say evenly matched.

However due to Pandaren being unpopular I can see a lot of people just siding with Muradin.

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

Muradin Bronzebeard is a Mountain King, meaning he's one of the best dwarven warriors, while Chen Stormstout is a "legendary brewmaster". I think it would be a close fight but Chen would win it TBH. Mostly because of his fight in the opening cinematic.

[HordeSchmorde]

Muradin because Dwarves have hundreds or thousands of years of experience in warfare while pandaren sit around all day doing nothing. His fight moves in the intro cinematic are against two tired, hungry, wounded and poorly armed warriors. Pandaren are also fat as hell which suggests horrible cardiovascular endurance over extensive periods, while Dwarves are muscular and fit and extremely resilient even while wearing full armor.

And judging by their inability to defend their own lands from evils they keep boasting they're supposed to be experts at fighting, their training is theatrical and defensive at best. Pit that against a heavy mace and an axe capable of spilling your guts and I think the answer is self-evident.

I can't think of a single pandaren who all throughout the expansion has shown any true ability at being a capable melee warrior with the ability to kill. Even that assassin chick strikes from the shadows.

[Heffladin]

Muradin because Dwarves have hundreds or thousands of years of experience in warfare while pandaren sit around all day doing nothing. His fight moves in the intro cinematic are against two tired, hungry, wounded and poorly armed warriors. Pandaren are also fat as hell which suggests horrible cardiovascular endurance over extensive periods, while Dwarves are muscular and fit and extremely resilient even while wearing full armor.

And judging by their inability to defend their own lands from evils they keep boasting they're supposed to be experts at fighting, their training is theatrical and defensive at best. Pit that against a heavy mace and an axe capable of spilling your guts and I think the answer is self-evident.

I can't think of a single pandaren who all throughout the expansion has shown any true ability at being a capable melee warrior with the ability to kill. Even that assassin chick strikes from the shadows.

If you shave a bear there's not much fat on it, as a matter of fact bears are incredibly strong for their size. In ancient rome they would ship lions and other dangerous carnivores into the coliseums to fight, but the bear always won, it's strong enough to break your skull with one hit. And to be fair on the pandaren, they are skilled enough to take on not only the titan constructs mogu, made out of living stone, hordes of mantid and probably in past times some mantid paragons. They have to control their emotions perfectly or risk old god goo taking over them, tough shit. Muradin is a very skilled fighter indeed, but so is Chen. I'd give him some advantage due to like range, as he can poke muradin around with the staff.

[Ciddy]

I'm not as impressed with what Chen Stormstout did in the MoP cinematic. He's a hero character who beat a couple of soldiers. Sure, that's impressive, but Muradin could've easily done the same thing. It's sorta like how Varian Wrynn could easily stomp a couple of random Kor'kron guards 1v2.

My vote goes to Muradin. I think he's a more battle hardened than Stormstout and would have an edge there. That being said, I think it'd be a pretty interesting 1v1 to watch.

[Mosotti]

Chen. You can't win against kung fu.

He's also so adorable. He wins on the cute department too.

[OrcsRLame]

I actually think it'd be a close fight. I'm tempted to give the edge to Chen based solely on experience. Chen has traveled the world fighting people, and as such has probably seen nearly every fighting style that exists. There's probably not a lot Muradin could do to catch him off guard, because Chen has seen it all. Muradin, while experienced in warfare and very tough, probably lacks experience fighting against Pandaren.

They're probably both equally stubborn. Chen should have a strength advantage due to his size, but Muradin has better quality weapons and actually wears armor.

If I had to guess I'd give Chen a 60% winrate.

[Deleted]

Muradin because Dwarves have hundreds or thousands of years of experience in warfare while pandaren sit around all day doing nothing. His fight moves in the intro cinematic are against two tired, hungry, wounded and poorly armed warriors. Pandaren are also fat as hell which suggests horrible cardiovascular endurance over extensive periods, while Dwarves are muscular and fit and extremely resilient even while wearing full armor.

Chen is from Wandering Isle, place known by their fighters and constant training philosophies.

Anyway, just try to fight a "fat" bear in real life.

[Arrashi]

Chen is from Wandering Isle, place known by their fighters and constant training philosophies.

Anyway, just try to fight a "fat" bear in real life.

They are suprisingly weak against firearms. And if i recall correctly, dwarf posterboy from vanilla have quite a big gun.

Also pandaren are really dumb, just offer him brew with something extra in it, and defeat him that way.

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

They are suprisingly weak against firearms. And if i recall correctly, dwarf posterboy from vanilla have quite a big gun.

Also pandaren are really dumb, just offer him brew with something extra in it, and defeat him that way.

Muradin is far from a dwarf with a big gun. I doubt he's even fired one often. He's a straight up warrior, "Mountain King" his class his called.
Also, how do you figure Pandaren are really dumb? They managed to overthrow their slavers and lived reasonably peaceful for thousands of years, except for the Mantid attack every 1,000 years.

[HordeSchmorde]

http://www.wowwiki.com/Mountain_king

"Wielding both enchanted warhammers and hand axes, these fierce fighters live to test themselves against worthy opponents."

"Mountain Kings live only for battle."

"Mountain kings represent mighty champions of their race."

"Mountain kings boast prodigious combat abilities. They are ferocious in melee combat, wielding the traditional weapons of their race to decimate their foes. Their attacks leave opponents stunned and reeling. While they do not focus their efforts on discovering the secrets of the titans, they have long known of a powerful spark within every Ironforge dwarf - and mountain kings draw upon this spark and fan it into a raging flame. They conjure magic hammers and axes to hurl at their targets, stunning and slowing them so they can get close enough to use their real weapons. They transform themselves into silver-sheened creatures of living stone, shrugging off all attacks and hacking through flesh and bone with frightening ease."

"Other mountain kings travel the world on missions provided by their king, the Explorers' Guild, other patrons, or perhaps themselves." For anyone who might say Muradin isn't travelled.

"Some Mountain kings fall to dragons, demons, or other ferocious creatures, but mountain kings are famous for overcoming these challenges and then seeking out another, even mightier beast."

While I don't claim that Chen is unskilled, I just don't see him in the same category as Muradin. I think he could hold his own against Varian or a normal Garrosh.

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

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That applies for most of what you posted Horde.

[birdyy]

Muradin because Dwarves have hundreds or thousands of years of experience in warfare while pandaren sit around all day doing nothing. His fight moves in the intro cinematic are against two tired, hungry, wounded and poorly armed warriors. Pandaren are also fat as hell which suggests horrible cardiovascular endurance over extensive periods, while Dwarves are muscular and fit and extremely resilient even while wearing full armor.

And judging by their inability to defend their own lands from evils they keep boasting they're supposed to be experts at fighting, their training is theatrical and defensive at best. Pit that against a heavy mace and an axe capable of spilling your guts and I think the answer is self-evident.

I can't think of a single pandaren who all throughout the expansion has shown any true ability at being a capable melee warrior with the ability to kill. Even that assassin chick strikes from the shadows.

lol @ attempting to use reality as part of your argument.
You cant say chen is fat and being fat comes with problems IRL but muradin is fine when hes actually a midget which also has some pretty big cons.
and pandaren are good at fighting the enemies on their land. The part you forget is that they dont fight ALL7 sha at once, sha empowered Mantid and a revived thunder king with troll allies. Most of which was our fault not to mention they were also trying to stop the conflict between horde and alliance on pandaria.

Muradin aint shit bruh.
And chen did fight a heavy mace, an axe and other weapons capable of spilling guts or did you forget rexxar's part of wc3? Pretty sure chen is quite capable of fighting.

your post is so biased its laughable. Do you play a dwarf? lol

[shadowstep]

What kind of fight are we talking about? SInce it is Muradin vs Chen, I would expect a fight to see who would pass out last from alcohol

This is what i was thinking too
Epic beer fight

[HordeSchmorde]

lol @ attempting to use reality as part of your argument.
You cant say chen is fat and being fat comes with problems IRL but muradin is fine when hes actually a midget which also has some pretty big cons.
and pandaren are good at fighting the enemies on their land. The part you forget is that they dont fight ALL7 sha at once, sha empowered Mantid and a revived thunder king with troll allies. Most of which was our fault not to mention they were also trying to stop the conflict between horde and alliance on pandaria.

Muradin aint shit bruh.
And chen did fight a heavy mace, an axe and other weapons capable of spilling guts or did you forget rexxar's part of wc3? Pretty sure chen is quite capable of fighting.

your post is so biased its laughable. Do you play a dwarf? lol

No I'm just educating you misguided kids who've never even played the RTSes and think you can go around making outrageous lore claims because you read some shit on WoWwikki or whatever. Armchair loremasters. Pebrocks all that stuff may be considered non canon by the RPG, except it's all in Warcraft 3, so it is canon.

Muradin may be a midget but Dwarves are direct descendants of Titan constructs, which is where they get their ridiculous strength for their size from. Pandaren are....who the hell knows, other than pandas, they are constantly portrayed in the expansion as a bunch of people who get tired from running short distances and who love drinking and sleeping. How do you compare that to a Mountain King, even in a fantasy setting?

Yeah, Chen does explore the world, but judging by his WoW physique (his Warcraft 3 physique was actually good, he looked much more in shape, at least in the artwork), he's not someone who trains actively for battle.

As that excuse for pandaren, all I know is that even in scenarios where it's a lot of them vs a few, or 1on1, they get categorically roflstompted.

Taran'zhu vs one Sha in his own dungeon: he gets himself corrupted, we save him.

Taran'zhu vs Garrosh, a typical strong orc, he gets rekd, blames us.

Shado Pan vs anything, whether Sha, Mantid or Ungol: categorically roflstompted, we help them save the day each time. I won't even go here, I could go on for half an hour typing all the battle incomptence the mainland pandaren display in battle. In Illidan's words, they are simply not prepared.

Muradin fought alongside Arthas in Northrend and against Arthas' armies in Northrend, and survived Frostmourne being unleashed from its prison with just some minor memory loss. What comparable foes has Chen fought, or dangers survived? They had an entire expansion to expand on that, yet they didn't, so I'll assume nothing worthwhile. The only thing of note he did in his own expansion was save a brewery.

Well woo-de-doo, if Sargeras invades, we'll make sure to invite him for a drink in the valley and hope he passes out drunk and we can draw weird shit on his face with markers.

Heavy mace? It was a blunt object made of pottery, subject to break upon serious impact. Warcraft 3? I remember a lot of units in Warcraft 3, such as Troll headhunters, Orcish grunts, Shamans, Catapults et al. Chen was an optional unit you didn't even have to recruit, and if you did, he was one guy in the thousands of Thrall's new Orgrimmar army. Rexxar at least offered tactical information to Thrall, but I wouldn't claim Orgrimmar was founded because Rexxar was there. In the grand scheme of things, he was another warrior, fighting your every day threats like centaurs and creatures of the land.

No, I don't play a Dwarf, I actually play a Pandaren rogue, although my main used to be a Human mage back when lore meant something.

These days I wouldn't be all surprised if they made murlocs or corgi a playable race.

[Deleted]

No I'm just educating you misguided kids who've never even played the RTSes and think you can go around making outrageous lore claims because you read some shit on WoWwikki or whatever. Armchair loremasters. Pebrocks all that stuff may be considered non canon by the RPG, except it's all in Warcraft 3, so it is canon.

Muradin may be a midget but Dwarves are direct descendants of Titan constructs, which is where they get their ridiculous strength for their size from. Pandaren are....who the hell knows, other than pandas, they are constantly portrayed in the expansion as a bunch of people who get tired from running short distances and who love drinking and sleeping. How do you compare that to a Mountain King, even in a fantasy setting?

So much irony on this post.

Remember the Mogu, the Titan construct cousins of the Dwarves? They were beaten by the "fat" pandaren with fists and staves.

[TheWindWalker]

There's no contest whatsoever. Chen. It's like asking "Who would win in a cage match, a Frenzied Hydralisk or a Mike Tyson?" Chen kills his enemies with no remorse and no acknowledgement and leaves a trail of dead in his wake using just his bear hands and feet. The whole time keeping up the "lovable drunk uncle" persona.

[McNeil]

I don't think we've ever seen Chen face off against a major character before, its hard to tell how strong he is. Maybe this can be compared with Garrosh vs Taran Zhu, I guess people wouldn't guess that Garrosh would've won if it wasn't for the trailer. ''Garrosh is just a dumb ogre! Taran Zhu is 9999x faster! he would roflstomp Garrosh!'' is what I would expect people to say. Yet Zhu got smacked around while he could hardly deal any serious damage to Garrosh, sure he is fast but Garrosh is a fortress compared to him.

Muradin isn't as big as Garrosh though, but I can bet that he's about just as skilled as a warrior. While Chen and Zhu should be pretty equal aswell. Muradin also has a very thick skin as a dwarf, and on top of that he's completely covered in armor. He's also specialised in dual-wielding.

I can see the battle going like this: Muradin and Chen both charge into each other, Chen is dealing the first blows with his staff but Muradin keeps blocking them, he tries to hit back but Chen is fast enough to dodge them. Muradin then uses Thunder Clap, trying to stun Chen, but Chen will just fly into the air and tries to kick him in a similiar way Taran Zhu tried with Garrosh. Muradin gets hit, but barely feels wounded, and he succesfully charges straight into Chen. After a small struggle, they both get up and Chen continues hitting him with his staff, but Muradin blocks it using both of his weapons, rips his staff out of his hand and slams his hammer into Chens face, defeating him.

In the end... they'll just go to the pub and have another competition whoever can drink the most beer without passing out. Thats worthy of a thread.