Transitioning a friend from Yugioh to Hearthstone

[TheWorkingTitle]

So after some subtle nudging and prodding, I've convinced my friend to try out Hearthstone who's currently a big Yugioh player (goes to local tournaments, plays Duelnetwork, YGO Pro/DevPro, etc).

I'm wondering if someone could point in me in the direction of some decks that would most resemble a Samurai Deck as that and Chaos/Lightsworn decks are his favorites from Yugioh. It's mostly predicated on flooding the board with minions to overwhelm and having great synergy between them all (as far as what Hearthstone could relate to).

I was thinking some version of a Hunter deck (which I know nothing about), or maybe just a run-of-the-mill Zoo lock?

Any ideas?

[Jester Joe]

Uh...Murlocs or a demon deck perhaps?

[TheWorkingTitle]

Uh...Murlocs or a demon deck perhaps?

He'd probably have to craft more to have a good Murloc deck, I assume?

[Jester Joe]

He'd probably have to craft more to have a good Murloc deck, I assume?

It depends I'd imagine. If you want to go the route of shaman murlocs, you'd probably need Neptulon, but for demon lock I think you need Mal'ganis and Jaraxxus? I'm not really sure honestly, the more Hearthstone intelligent people would be able to tell the exact details, but those are the only two I could think of with actual synergy between the cards in terms of buffing. I mean, I guess mech decks could count too.

I mean, my first deck was a Warlock Murloc deck, the most expensive thing is two epics.

[Lord Pebbleton]

I remember back when I played Yu-gi-oh...
I don't think I would've switched to Hearthstone if Magic the Gathering didn't "disintoxicate" me beforehand. I've always considered Yu-gi-oh as the child stage and Magic as the adult stage of card gaming; maybe Hearthstone is the new modern adult stage?
Point is, he either leaves Yu-gi-oh by himself or he's gonna leave Hearthstone soon.

(Also, why would you play a game where the card's name length fits on a single card? What is "Maexxna" compared to "Conduction Warrior Linear Magnum Plus Minus" or "Number81: Superdreadnought Rail Cannon Superior Dora"? Pah!)

[Jester Joe]

I remember back when I played Yu-gi-oh...
I don't think I would've switched to Hearthstone if Magic the Gathering didn't "disintoxicate" me beforehand. I've always considered Yu-gi-oh as the child stage and Magic as the adult stage of card gaming; maybe Hearthstone is the new modern adult stage?
Point is, he either leaves Yu-gi-oh by himself or he's gonna leave Hearthstone soon.

(Also, why would you play a game where the card's name length fits on a single card? What is "Maexxna" compared to "Conduction Warrior Linear Magnum Plus Minus" or "Number81: Superdreadnought Rail Cannon Superior Dora"? Pah!)

At first I thought this would be about how to explain some terms honestly, and I was just gonna say "If they can read those college level essays on things like Relinquished, they'll do fine".

[TheWorkingTitle]

It depends I'd imagine. If you want to go the route of shaman murlocs, you'd probably need Neptulon, but for demon lock I think you need Mal'ganis and Jaraxxus? I'm not really sure honestly, the more Hearthstone intelligent people would be able to tell the exact details, but those are the only two I could think of with actual synergy between the cards in terms of buffing. I mean, I guess mech decks could count too.

I mean, my first deck was a Warlock Murloc deck, the most expensive thing is two epics.

Yeah, I thought about a Mech deck too (whom have great synergy) but that's not really something a basic f2p player can create right off the bat.

I had no idea there was Murloc decks for a bunch of classes. I wish you could buy individual cards and not have to craft or pray to RNG gods for lucky pack pulls.

Good stuff, thanks for your input!

[Eon Drache]

why not play both? As someone who still plays Devpro with an old school Blue-Eyes deck (Curse you E-Dragon bans!) I think maybe warrior control? A yugioh player really shouldnt feel bad shelling cash out. Specially a Lightsworn player.

[TheWorkingTitle]

I remember back when I played Yu-gi-oh...
I don't think I would've switched to Hearthstone if Magic the Gathering didn't "disintoxicate" me beforehand. I've always considered Yu-gi-oh as the child stage and Magic as the adult stage of card gaming; maybe Hearthstone is the new modern adult stage?
Point is, he either leaves Yu-gi-oh by himself or he's gonna leave Hearthstone soon.

(Also, why would you play a game where the card's name length fits on a single card? What is "Maexxna" compared to "Conduction Warrior Linear Magnum Plus Minus" or "Number81: Superdreadnought Rail Cannon Superior Dora"? Pah!)

He only competitively plays Yugioh because he's got the most $ invested in it out of that and MtG.

I can't even recognize the game anymore, what with XYZs/Synchros and that new (probably not that new) pendulum stuff.

Yugioh has plenty of complicated moves though, so I don't really agree with your notion that it's somehow the most childish.

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why not play both? As someone who still plays Devpro with an old school Blue-Eyes deck (Curse you E-Dragon bans!) I think maybe warrior control? A yugioh player really shouldnt feel bad shelling cash out. Specially a Lightsworn player.

The allure of being able to play Hearthstone on his phone on the go (with myself and our other mutual friends) is probably the largest factor for his wanting to switch.

He just wants to first test the waters of Hearthstone before making a full on switch, though. If he likes it, I'm sure he'll invest.

Ah right on! I used to play mostly with my old/new school-conglomerate Djinn Relinquish deck on Devpro.

I'll look into control warrior too. Thanks.

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This is a good starter murloc deck, at least until you've worked up some gold to buy packs and some dust to craft. I'm still looking to eventually craft Neptulon and the Shaman-only murloc to add to it.

But like I said, I wouldn't recommend this for high ranks. Definitely needs modifications.

I'll be sure to pass that deck on. The more different looks he has to choose from, the better, so thank you.

[Lord Pebbleton]

He only competitively plays Yugioh because he's got the most $ invested in it out of that and MtG.

I can't even recognize the game anymore, what with XYZs/Synchros and that new (probably not that new) pendulum stuff.

Yugioh has plenty of complicated moves though, so I don't really agree with your notion that it's somehow the most childish.

Nono, I also actually disagree with myself in that regard (in the meaning that the last time I compared the two games I came to that conclusion, but that was yeeeaarrrsss ago).
Probably Magic is also beyond recognition though.

[Ravex]

Yeah, I thought about a Mech deck too (whom have great synergy) but that's not really something a basic f2p player can create right off the bat.

I had no idea there was Murloc decks for a bunch of classes. I wish you could buy individual cards and not have to craft or pray to RNG gods for lucky pack pulls.

Good stuff, thanks for your input!

If you worried about a mech deck being too costly to make you should probably head for the door already considering its probably the cheapest thing out there.

Also why are you guys suggesting murloc decks, they are trash.

[Jester Joe]

If you worried about a mech deck being too costly to make you should probably head for the door already considering its probably the cheapest thing out there.

Also why are you guys suggesting murloc decks, they are trash.

I didn't know we judged decks strictly by if they can work at legend rank or not. It's always either though a deck must be great, and if it doesn't "It's trash".

Murlocs might not be the greatest, but you can still win with them.

And it also depends on the mech deck you're making, some people wouldn't consider needing a legendary or two cheap.

[Taalyn]

http://2p.com/10464106_1/Deck-Guide-...by-Corey_T.htm

Is a good starter deck. It's a little outdated but should still do well. You can leave the Undertaker in there as it's not the core idea of the deck but it also doesn't hurt to swap it out. The idea is that the deck has many combos to work with that give your minions a ton of value.

[Ravex]

I didn't know we judged decks strictly by if they can work at legend rank or not. It's always either though a deck must be great, and if it doesn't "It's trash".

Murlocs might not be the greatest, but you can still win with them.

And it also depends on the mech deck you're making, some people wouldn't consider needing a legendary or two cheap.

Great.. its mr Bgh isn't a valuable card because your opponent can just play another card!

I really shouldn't get into it again with you because of last time but hey, why not?

I have maybe played against murloc decks a grand total of 5 times since I have started playing hearthstone, and I have played WWWAAYYY too many games.

It's not a good deck in tourneys. It's not a good deck at legend ranks. It's not a good deck at ladder.

There are top level decks out there, mid level, and trash tier.

I'm sorry that the MRGLHRHRGLLRLLLRRGGGHHLLL decks aren't very good. I'm sorry that pretty much EVERY OTHER VALID DECK OUT THERE beats it more then not.

Maybe, just maybe a competitive player who enjoys going to tourneys, would not enjoy a deck that will fail, over and over.

Yes, I am a dick, but seriously man starting up an argument because "murlocs are legit"?

Also, if somebody considers putting a legendary or two into a mech deck expensive, build the damn thing without the legendaries. First world problem solved.

[BatteredRose]

I've always considered Yu-gi-oh as the child stage and Magic as the adult stage of card gaming; maybe Hearthstone is the new modern adult stage?

They're all children's card games.

OT: There are certain Rogue decks that might fit your friend's desires.

[Jester Joe]

Great.. its mr Bgh isn't a valuable card because your opponent can just play another card!

I really shouldn't get into it again with you because of last time but hey, why not?

I have maybe played against murloc decks a grand total of 5 times since I have started playing hearthstone, and I have played WWWAAYYY too many games.

It's not a good deck in tourneys. It's not a good deck at legend ranks. It's not a good deck at ladder.

There are top level decks out there, mid level, and trash tier.

I'm sorry that the MRGLHRHRGLLRLLLRRGGGHHLLL decks aren't very good. I'm sorry that pretty much EVERY OTHER VALID DECK OUT THERE beats it more then not.

Maybe, just maybe a competitive player who enjoys going to tourneys, would not enjoy a deck that will fail, over and over.

Yes, I am a dick, but seriously man starting up an argument because "murlocs are legit"?

Also, if somebody considers putting a legendary or two into a mech deck expensive, build the damn thing without the legendaries. First world problem solved.

I'm glad you still don't understand what I was saying about BGH, when I said several times it's a great card that I love. I said it wasn't an insta-win like people were implying.

Also I love how you go and say "It's not viable because I'VE ONLY SEEN IT 5 TIMES!", because that's totally the answer. I mean, if we're going by 5 times, I'll go on and win with it 5 times, because that's how it works right?

Also you're getting way too hostile about this like you're some sorta hearthstone expert. Like, all I said was "they're not complete trash, and mech deck would be more expensive" and you flip your lid like "HOW DARE SOMEONE QUESTION ME"

[durrtygoodz]

Murloc deck is actually a decent, fun deck to start out with, although it does kind of "need" a couple of epics, which makes it instantly more expensive than mech mage, zoo lock or face hunter. But the guy saying murloc is "trash" tier is just a dick, for someone starting out in HS, a murloc deck can easily take them to 15 and if they enjoy that style of deck then let them get on with it. I bet Ravex has TempoStorm meta snapshot as his Internet Explorer homepage. Clown.

[Ravex]

I'm glad you still don't understand what I was saying about BGH, when I said several times it's a great card that I love. I said it wasn't an insta-win like people were implying.

Also I love how you go and say "It's not viable because I'VE ONLY SEEN IT 5 TIMES!", because that's totally the answer. I mean, if we're going by 5 times, I'll go on and win with it 5 times, because that's how it works right?

Also you're getting way too hostile about this like you're some sorta hearthstone expert. Like, all I said was "they're not complete trash, and mech deck would be more expensive" and you flip your lid like "HOW DARE SOMEONE QUESTION ME"

Let the Bgh thing go, I never once said it was insta win, it was a tempo swing, like it always is.

Sample size:

I've won 1571 times in play mode. I've lost a fair share as well.

I have seen a murloc deck a half dozen times in those many games.

I'm not the one dictating its trash, its everyone who isn't fucking playing it.

If it were viable and had a decent win rate it would be seen ALOT more, but its not.

Numbers don't lie.

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Murloc deck is actually a decent, fun deck to start out with, although it does kind of "need" a couple of epics, which makes it instantly more expensive than mech mage, zoo lock or face hunter. But the guy saying murloc is "trash" tier is just a dick, for someone starting out in HS, a murloc deck can easily take them to 15 and if they enjoy that style of deck then let them get on with it. I bet Ravex has TempoStorm meta snapshot as his Internet Explorer homepage. Clown.

Murloc decks are decent all around decks that see alot of play because they are decent.

"thumbs up"

Keep being cool brah.

[Jester Joe]

Let the Bgh thing go, I never once said it was insta win, it was a tempo swing, like it always is.

Sample size:

I've won 1571 times in play mode. I've lost a fair share as well.

I have seen a murloc deck a half dozen times in those many games.

I'm not the one dictating its trash, its everyone who isn't fucking playing it.

If it were viable and had a decent win rate it would be seen ALOT more, but its not.

Numbers don't lie.

"Let the BGH thing go"...odd, you're the one who brought it up, and the one who interjected in the discussion like I was saying it was trash when I was responding to people acting like it was an insta-win.

That's like viewing the popularity of heroes in Dota 2. Chen's one of the least picked heroes ever, but he's not trash. Just because something isn't used doesn't make it trash on it's own. It's just too many people go by the meta in Hearthstone, because usually the meta decks are the easiest way to win.

[Ravex]

"Let the BGH thing go"...odd, you're the one who brought it up, and the one who interjected in the discussion like I was saying it was trash when I was responding to people acting like it was an insta-win.

That's like viewing the popularity of heroes in Dota 2. Chen's one of the least picked heroes ever, but he's not trash. Just because something isn't used doesn't make it trash on it's own. It's just too many people go by the meta in Hearthstone, because usually the meta decks are the easiest way to win.

Even though I disagree with everything you are saying about bgh, I'm letting it ago because I am sick to death about that argument.

The meta is just that though, decks you will be playing against, and decks that are competitive with those. Bringing in something that doesn't do well against them doesn't make them just as viable.

The ramp up of murlocs takes perfect draw, and they aren't sticky at all. An aggro deck will out perform your aggro, and a control will wipe you once or twice and there is no coming back. Hell a zombie chow will more then likely shut down your first 2 turns.