Night Elves and Death Knights.

[Combatbutler]

Death Knights have been transformed in becoming such, unlike Warlocks who chose to study those dark arts. Warlocks can give up being Warlocks, but Death Knights are simply that way. Hell, I'm pretty sure many of them would gladly give up all that stuff, but it's still the only actual way they can make themselves useful.

They are a tad more screwed, since all ebon blade dks have to inflict pain on others or might be driven insane, so all that awaits them would be eternal war.


http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2721372142#1

Q: Are blood elf death knights still afflicted by their racial addiction to magic?
A: No, though their new addiction, the one all Ebon Blade death knights possess, is arguably worse: the need to inflict pain. If death knights do not regularly inflict agony upon another creature, they begin to suffer wracking pains that could drive them into a mindless, blood-seeking hysteria—a far worse fate than that of those who suffer from arcane withdrawal.

[Toppy]

They are a tad more screwed, since all ebon blade dks have to inflict pain on others or might be driven insane, so all that awaits them would be eternal war.


http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2721372142#1

Question: how many people in WoW aren't constantly inflicting pain? Certainly every last player class is.

They could fight honorably as standard warriors or footsoldiers, I'm not suggesting they all become priests but the fact is that the player DKs continue on their own will to use necromancy when they don't need to (as far as I'm aware there is nothing forcing them to stay in the ebon blades anymore) but tbh the lore surrounding them has been pretty much abandoned since WOTLK.

Many may very well do so. Maybe some DK only use the frost magics? Maybe some only use blood? It's only unholy that would be considered detrimental to nature. Maybe a unholy Nelf is as rare as an shadow priest tauren.

[Combatbutler]

Question: how many people in WoW aren't constantly inflicting pain? Certainly every last player class is.

The others have a choice in the matter a dk has not, they must, in order to keep their sanity.

[Toppy]

The others have a choice in the matter a dk has not, they must, in order to keep their sanity.

True, but the point is that it doesnt really matter in practice. Not untill peace time, which is far far far away. And even then they'll just likely be employed as immortal kickass patrolmen or somethin'.

[Zulkhan]

They are a tad more screwed, since all ebon blade dks have to inflict pain on others or might be driven insane, so all that awaits them would be eternal war.

I'm aware of that necessity, but doesn't change the point. They are that way, they cannot change it. And while this make them "screwed", it's not still the same deal of a Warlock.

[alt-ithist]

What's it matter? Highborne were outcast and not welcome in Night Elf society and werent welcome back till after the DK.

At most you can say that now, they've been welcome back with open arms. Which leads one to believe that night elves are forgiving of their own.

The point is Highborn are night elves. Same race, just cast system. Highborn are nothing more then a noble cast that was forced into exile.

That said, Night elves didn't avoid magic because of magic being evil, they avoided it because they feared it would bring the legion back to them. Well guess what, that fear is past. The Legion is coming and avoiding arcane is pointless. While I'm sure they aren't about to embrace necromancy or warlock powers, there is no reason anymore to avoid the arcane arts.

[Toppy]

The point is Highborn are night elves. Same race, just cast system. Highborn are nothing more then a noble cast that was forced into exile.

That said, Night elves didn't avoid magic because of magic being evil, they avoided it because they feared it would bring the legion back to them. Well guess what, that fear is past. The Legion is coming and avoiding arcane is pointless. While I'm sure they aren't about to embrace necromancy or warlock powers, there is no reason anymore to avoid the arcane arts.

Also because nature hates and is harmed by the arcane according to... wolfheart was it? One of the books, the one where Meive tries to kill Malfurion.

[Traveler Voltin]

Separate society in isolation for 10,000 years. It's like saying China had Aztec warriors.

They are still nighy elves race wise

[pUREcoin]

From an Alliance Military point of view DKs are okay, but from a cultural standpoint DKs and Warlocks are a no go. I think Kaldorei killing on sight is a touch too much, but they definitely would not welcome any undead or warlocks into their society.


I don't RP, but if I did I would be interested in some kind of DK who forgoes their unholy powers and becomes a warrior again or a hunter. That's the only logical way a DK could try to be accepted back into Nelf society.

[Toppy]

I'd say those are just terrible night elf roleplayers, doesn't help those who roleplay as night elf death knights tend to go for the willing psychopath angle instead of the enslaved victim that the Death knight starting event shows you to be. There are quite a few night elf death knight followers you get in garrisons, they are all loyal and basically just use their death knight powers to do the job they did before they were killed and raised: defend their allies and homes.

Something being outlawed doesn't make it an impossibility. Also the Night Elves do tolerate mages of their own kind now, and have tolerated mages of other races ever since joining the Alliance. Death Knights are sympathetic, Night Elves would pity them just as the Tauren pitied the Forsaken and share the exact same reverence for balance within nature.

Very true, a lot of DK to just sorta run around as psycho killers. But hell, I used to RP a DK myself, and was -escorted out of Darnassus- despite not looking for, or causing, trouble.

[ravenmoon]

btw, i did not realize that each DK race has a different story, i thought all Alliance went to Stormwind and all horde went to Orgrimmar.

I had no idea they went to their various capitals.

Gonna try a Blood elf, Dranei, Worgen, Goblin, Tauren, Forsaken, Dwarf and see how all of those go.

[Kallisto]

I agree, I have seen DKs being "escorted." out of Darnassus a few times when in MG. This would always lead to IC arguments between those trying to remove and those wanting to allow them to stay.

But it doesn't help that many DK RPers seem to play the evil psycho. Now this is not all or even the majority from my experience. But from what I have seen some 30-40% of DK players.

There are quite a few night elf death knight followers you get in garrisons, they are all loyal and basically just use their death knight powers to do the job they did before they were killed and raised: defend their allies and homes.

This is essentially how I rp my DK. She had a family in life that are still there and will do what she can to defend them. As well as her allies. She does also have one final mission. Which is the LK itself had a creator, (KJ) which must also be destroyed. So that is her other main goal.

[Kaldriss]

I don't RP at all but have been playing Warcraft games for a long time and the idea of no DKs in Darnassus makes total sense as well as the idea that most of them would have killed themselves after the events at Light's Hope Chapel. Night elves don't practice and don't tolerate magic that isn't based in nature. It's the reason that night elves can't be warlocks and couldn't be mages at the launch of the game. Blizzard decided to let night elf mages be a thing only because gameplay > lore sometimes. The fact that night elves could be priests at launch is slightly bending the lore rules, but Blizzard had to let them play some cloth class.

So, if some night elves woke up one day to discover that they're now death knights and all of their power comes from dark magic, they'd probably kill themselves as it would be a disgrace to everything they've ever known and understood. Death knights surely wouldn't be let into Darnassus, but then again neither should warlocks really. They both use dark magic.

the priestesses of elune are a 100% priest class and have pretty much always been part of night elf society, idk where you got the idea that night elf priests were bending the rules

[Toppy]

the priestesses of elune are a 100% priest class and have pretty much always been part of night elf society, idk where you got the idea that night elf priests were bending the rules

I suppose its the male part. Prior to WoW, nelf men couldn't be priests, and nelf women couldn't be druids.

And a priestess of the moon prior to WoW was more like a paladin than a straight spell caster: a warrior of the light using weapons and faith.

[Gourmandise]

How are warlocks treated?

[D-Throes]

I suppose its the male part. Prior to WoW, nelf men couldn't be priests, and nelf women couldn't be druids.

And a priestess of the moon prior to WoW was more like a paladin than a straight spell caster: a warrior of the light using weapons and faith.

they wielded bows not hammers, their like holy hunters...

[Combatbutler]

Also because nature hates and is harmed by the arcane according to... wolfheart was it? One of the books, the one where Meive tries to kill Malfurion.

Arcane itself does not harm nature, quite the opposite, but the spellcasting the highborne used left the land confused so to speak, just like their old architecture with trees weaved together with stone, which caused the trees to loose themselves.

[alt-ithist]

Also because nature hates and is harmed by the arcane according to... wolfheart was it? One of the books, the one where Meive tries to kill Malfurion.

That's absolutely false. The high elves before the scourge wrecked them lived in harmony with nature and magic. While Silvermoon City was completely magic base, every settlement outside of that was a synergy of nature and magic. Corrupted magic aka fel magic is what nature hates.

Also keep in mind Nordrassyl is fueled by the pool of magic beneath it.

[Deleted]

The highborne are still greatly disliked by the general population, but they truly despise death knights.

Yet night elves still accept those death knights that don't use their necromantic powers anymore, take for example:
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=32912/sen...endra#comments

Death knight clearly eyes and skin (and not a mistake, as when Cataclysm launched the Ruth'theran flight master also had same thing yet he was changed later back to normal, so it was a mistake in his case) yet she's a sentinel. So, the only logical explanation is that she died, got raised as a death knight, got freed and returned to her people, as a sentinel.

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btw, i did not realize that each DK race has a different story, i thought all Alliance went to Stormwind and all horde went to Orgrimmar.

I had no idea they went to their various capitals.

Gonna try a Blood elf, Dranei, Worgen, Goblin, Tauren, Forsaken, Dwarf and see how all of those go.

No, they all went to Stormwind/Orgrimmar. Just that we're assuming that after WotLK some death knights went to their own race's capitals too.

[Combatbutler]

Yet night elves still accept those death knights that don't use their necromantic powers anymore, take for example:
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=32912/sen...endra#comments

Death knight clearly eyes and skin (and not a mistake, as when Cataclysm launched the Ruth'theran flight master also had same thing yet he was changed later back to normal, so it was a mistake in his case) yet she's a sentinel. So, the only logical explanation is that she died, got raised as a death knight, got freed and returned to her people, as a sentinel.

The night elves dislike anything undead, only because she has rejoined her people and fights alongside them does not mean she is liked by the general population, she might have some close people around her, but the general opinion of her will be outright disgust.